If you see the image in the mirror and interact with it, then there has to be something conscious somewhere. Just like a human controlling a remote control car. The consciousness might exist somewhere else, but the car can behave as intelligently as a human.
Jason On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]>wrote: > > > On Friday, April 5, 2013 10:30:29 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason) >>> >>> There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not involve >>>> infinities. >>>> >>> >>> Why do you think so? What algorithm implements purple or pain? >>> >>> >>> What make you think that purple or pain don't involve infinities? >>> >>> (Also, many algorithm does involve infinities. Machines can provide name >>> for ordinals up to the Church-Kleene omega_1^CK ordinal, and they can >>> reason in ZF like any of us. >>> I don't see why computers cannot beat the humans in the naming of >>> infinities, even if that task can be considered as the least algorithmic >>> one ever conceived by humans). >>> >>> >> I should clarify what I meant by infinities. I meant there are >> algorithms that for computing anything that can be solved which does not >> require an infinite number of steps or infinite precision to do so. So >> unless infinite precision or infinite steps are required to emulate brain >> behavior, a computer should be capable of expressing all outwardly visisble >> behaviors any human can. (Craig has disputed this point before) >> > > A mirror can express all outwardly visible behaviors of a human already. > Put a speaker at mouth level behind the mirror, a camera at eye level, a > microphone at ear level, and voila, you have a mirror zombie. The only > difference with an AI zombie is that the behaviors have been approximated > statistically from correlations of analyzed recordings so that the > mirroring is divided up into bits and controlled mathematically. Taking > this to the level of brain behavior only makes the bits much more numerous. > > Craig > > > >> >> Jason >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
