If you see the image in the mirror and interact with it, then there has to
be something conscious somewhere. Just like a human controlling a remote
control car. The consciousness might exist somewhere else, but the car can
behave as intelligently as a human.
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Friday, April 5, 2013 10:30:29 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Bruno Marchal <mar...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>> On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason)
>>> There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not involve
>>> Why do you think so? What algorithm implements purple or pain?
>>> What make you think that purple or pain don't involve infinities?
>>> (Also, many algorithm does involve infinities. Machines can provide name
>>> for ordinals up to the Church-Kleene omega_1^CK ordinal, and they can
>>> reason in ZF like any of us.
>>> I don't see why computers cannot beat the humans in the naming of
>>> infinities, even if that task can be considered as the least algorithmic
>>> one ever conceived by humans).
>> I should clarify what I meant by infinities. I meant there are
>> algorithms that for computing anything that can be solved which does not
>> require an infinite number of steps or infinite precision to do so. So
>> unless infinite precision or infinite steps are required to emulate brain
>> behavior, a computer should be capable of expressing all outwardly visisble
>> behaviors any human can. (Craig has disputed this point before)
> A mirror can express all outwardly visible behaviors of a human already.
> Put a speaker at mouth level behind the mirror, a camera at eye level, a
> microphone at ear level, and voila, you have a mirror zombie. The only
> difference with an AI zombie is that the behaviors have been approximated
> statistically from correlations of analyzed recordings so that the
> mirroring is divided up into bits and controlled mathematically. Taking
> this to the level of brain behavior only makes the bits much more numerous.
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