On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 01:01:09PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
> Even if it was true that nations die when they lose their religion that
> wouldn't mean that religion tells the truth, in fact we know for a fact
> that most of them are wrong because there are lots of religions and most of
> them contradict each other. But is it even true that religion promotes
> stability?
> 
> Right now Europe is the second most peaceful continent on Earth after
> Antarctica, 

More peaceful than Australia, even? London riots, Paris riots,
bombings in Northern Ireland. Sure we have our nutters too, bid you a
Port Arthur versus the Utoya (Olso), Dunblane or Omagh massacres, and
we have recently has a spate of shootings out in the Moslem heartland
in Western Sydney, but compared with the years of open warfare in the
former Yugoslavia, this is tame stuff indeed.

In the more than 200 years of western civilisation in Australia (or
occupation as the original inhabitants call it), we've never had war,
just the odd battle here an there (Eureka stockade, bombing of Darwin
by the Japanese, or a couple of missiles fired across Sydney in that
same skirmish).

> and Europe is the second most atheistic continent on Earth

Some bits are more religious than others - its very uneven. I suspect
one reason that there are so many declared atheists in Scandinavia is
the presence of the church tax. Even though nominally, only about 30%
of Australia put down atheist or agnostic on their census forms, the
reality is that there are only two great religions in Australia, AFL and
NRL (Aussie Rules and Rugby League), with a third in ascendancy
(Soccer).

My son (who is devout atheist) just mentioned yesterday that he is
enjoying the company of one of his friends who is quite a strong
Christian, as he can have some meaningful theological debates with
him. Most of his school friends (he goes to a Christian school), are
agnostic or atheist.

> after Antarctica, most of the few hundred full time residences of that
> continent are scientists and most scientists are atheists or agnostics. And
> Europe would be even more peaceful that it is without the Islamic influence
> that has increased over the last few decades.
> 

Anyway, aside from Australia, Europe is doing fairly well on the peace
front, as compared with the other continents :).

Cheers

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