Sure I can. It's easy because I'm not trying to conceive of it literally like a computer, but figuratively as an idea. Pi, as the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its radius, can be understood in radians or just geometrically by visual feel. Pi falls out of the aesthetics of circularity itself, and it need not be enumerated abstractly. > But that is beside the point: if you can conceive of something why should > that mean that it is true or, even worse, that there is a little bit of > that something in your brain? > You can either say that it is in your brain or that it isn't, but either way, the thing that Comp claims to be able to emulate does something which Comp cannot do now, and which gives us no reason to expect that it will ever do. > > Besides that, it should be pretty clear that the world of classical > physics is quite enamored with real-number type relations rather than > decimal. Even at the microcosmic levels, where we find discrete states > rather than continuous, it is not at all clear that this is a true > reflection of nature or a local reflection of our instrumental approach. > The digital approach is always an amputation and an approximation. Not a > bad thing when we are talking about sending videos and text across the > world, but not necessarily a good thing for building a working brain from > scratch. > > > We can simulate any classical system with discrete arithmetic. If we could > not then computers would be useless for many of the things they are > actually used for. > Inspecting a classical system from some arbitrary level of substitution is different than being a proprietary system which is by definition unique. The very kinds of things which machines fail at are the things which are most essential to consciousness. Craig > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.