On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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> On 15 Jun 2013, at 16:55, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why aren't we blinded by a myriad of thoughts ?
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>>
>> For the same reason computers can selectively access their memories,
>> run some algorithms and not others and so on. This is understood in
>> basic computer science by any of the many variations of conditional
>> execution (if/then expressions).
>>
>>> Olber's Paradox and the limited outreach of neurons
>>>
>>> by Roger Clough
>>>
>>> Adapting to Leibniz's philosophy of mind, each of the neurons in the
>>> brain
>>> is a monad
>>
>>
>> Neurons are cells. We know a lot about how cells work. We also know
>> that neurons communicate through neurotransmitters, that they have
>> activation thresholds and that they organize in super-complex networks
>> and that they are building blocks with sufficient expressiveness to be
>> Turing complete. Your theory has to be able to account for all these
>> things we found out since Leibniz was around.
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> But here Roger Clough was perhaps intuiting something like the comp measure
> problem, where the white rabbits and the white noise seems to be what we
> should experience a priori, by the FPI.
>
> So I can *interpret* that Olber-Clough blindness phenomena as the white
> rabbit problem in comp, perhaps related to Russell's  "Occam catastrophe".
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> Your answer ,Telmo, was on the 3p level, but the experience are 1p, and the
> FPI makes harder to explain the apparent consistency and stability of
> consciousness. Then the non triviality of computer science makes this
> problem into a problem in computer science and thus a problem in arithmetic.
> It fits with the idea that a brain, or a universal machine filter more
> consciousness than creating or producing it.

I'm ok with all this, and as I said before I'm not on the materialist
camp -- I don't believe in the neurological origin of consciousness,
for example.

My problem here is with the statement that neurons are monads in the
Leibnizian sense. It throws under the rug a lot of stuff we know about
neurons. I agree that my answer was on the 3p level, but the existence
of these 3p mechanisms has to be explained by a TOE, correct? Saying
that intelligence has nothing to do with computation (I know you don't
claim this, but Roger does) is a bit like saying that the earth is
only 6000 years old: one would have to believe in a very malicious god
that plants false evidence. Because the brain sure looks like a
computer...

Telmo.

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> Bruno
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>> Telmo.
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>>> and all of tbhe monads in the universe are perceived
>>> (Leibniz uses the word "reflected", since all of the monads reflect
>>> the perceptions of all of the others through the Chief MONAD
>>> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz-mind/
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
>>>
>>> Olbers' paradox
>>> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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>>>
>>> "Olbers' paradox in action
>>> In astrophysics and physical cosmology, Olbers' paradox, named after
>>> the German astronomer Heinrich Wilhelm Olbers (1758�1840) and also called
>>> the "dark night sky paradox", is the argument that the darkness of the
>>> night
>>> sky
>>> conflicts with the assumption of an infinite and eternal static universe.
>>> The darkness of the night sky is one of the pieces of evidence for a
>>> non-static
>>> universe such as the Big Bang model. If the universe is static and
>>> populated
>>> by an infinite number of stars, any sight line from Earth must end at the
>>> (very bright)
>>> surface of a star, so the night sky should be completely bright. This
>>> contradicts the observed
>>> darkness of the night."
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