On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 15 Jun 2013, at 16:55, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Why aren't we blinded by a myriad of thoughts ? >> >> >> For the same reason computers can selectively access their memories, >> run some algorithms and not others and so on. This is understood in >> basic computer science by any of the many variations of conditional >> execution (if/then expressions). >> >>> Olber's Paradox and the limited outreach of neurons >>> >>> by Roger Clough >>> >>> Adapting to Leibniz's philosophy of mind, each of the neurons in the >>> brain >>> is a monad >> >> >> Neurons are cells. We know a lot about how cells work. We also know >> that neurons communicate through neurotransmitters, that they have >> activation thresholds and that they organize in super-complex networks >> and that they are building blocks with sufficient expressiveness to be >> Turing complete. Your theory has to be able to account for all these >> things we found out since Leibniz was around. > > > > But here Roger Clough was perhaps intuiting something like the comp measure > problem, where the white rabbits and the white noise seems to be what we > should experience a priori, by the FPI. > > So I can *interpret* that Olber-Clough blindness phenomena as the white > rabbit problem in comp, perhaps related to Russell's "Occam catastrophe". > > Your answer ,Telmo, was on the 3p level, but the experience are 1p, and the > FPI makes harder to explain the apparent consistency and stability of > consciousness. Then the non triviality of computer science makes this > problem into a problem in computer science and thus a problem in arithmetic. > It fits with the idea that a brain, or a universal machine filter more > consciousness than creating or producing it.
I'm ok with all this, and as I said before I'm not on the materialist camp -- I don't believe in the neurological origin of consciousness, for example. My problem here is with the statement that neurons are monads in the Leibnizian sense. It throws under the rug a lot of stuff we know about neurons. I agree that my answer was on the 3p level, but the existence of these 3p mechanisms has to be explained by a TOE, correct? Saying that intelligence has nothing to do with computation (I know you don't claim this, but Roger does) is a bit like saying that the earth is only 6000 years old: one would have to believe in a very malicious god that plants false evidence. Because the brain sure looks like a computer... Telmo. > > Bruno > > > > > >> >> Telmo. >> >>> and all of tbhe monads in the universe are perceived >>> (Leibniz uses the word "reflected", since all of the monads reflect >>> the perceptions of all of the others through the Chief MONAD >>> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz-mind/ >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox >>> >>> Olbers' paradox >>> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia >>> Jump to: navigation, search >>> >>> >>> "Olbers' paradox in action >>> In astrophysics and physical cosmology, Olbers' paradox, named after >>> the German astronomer Heinrich Wilhelm Olbers (1758�1840) and also called >>> the "dark night sky paradox", is the argument that the darkness of the >>> night >>> sky >>> conflicts with the assumption of an infinite and eternal static universe. >>> The darkness of the night sky is one of the pieces of evidence for a >>> non-static >>> universe such as the Big Bang model. If the universe is static and >>> populated >>> by an infinite number of stars, any sight line from Earth must end at the >>> (very bright) >>> surface of a star, so the night sky should be completely bright. This >>> contradicts the observed >>> darkness of the night." >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
