On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:06, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:
>>>I love Christopher Hitchens. I agree with many points. He is more
an anticlerical than an atheist to me ...
>> Everybody called him an atheist. He called himself an atheist.
I think you just don't like the term.
> Forgivable though, don't you think?
No I do not, I think it's unforgivable to value a word more than the
concept it represents.
But this is exactly what you are doing John. God represent a concept,
even, at the start, the mother of all concept.
You just want that the word God applies only to the theistic notion of
some institutionalized religion, where some want to use it in very
large sense akin to its original meaning.
> IF you can handle the comp definition of atheism as a sibling
public religion of the Jesus cult [...]
Then the meanings of words change according to your whim and logical
contradictions do not bother you.
Not at all. It is a coming back to its original sense, in a context
where we have rational reason to do so, notably the study of the mind-
body problem in the mechanist sciences.
> I mean - either you believe in Big Daddy, JC and Spooky or you do
not.
I do not. Believing in God is stupid, believing in Big Daddy JC and
Spooky is the Power Set of stupid, 2 raised to the power of stupid.
God is the fundamental reality in which you believe in. Accepting this
definition simplifies a lot the comparison between different religion
and the role played by science there.
> Let me clarify: there is organised ('public' or 3-p) religion
And now religion enters the pee pee realm! Well maybe you have a
point, it is all a bunch of shit.
> the only authentic definition of 'personal religion' is "what you
believe".
As I said it's unforgivable to value a word more than the concept it
represents.
So, if you don't value a word, you should not be mad if we extend its
sense so that it can encompasses a vaster number of approaches.
Bruno
John K Clark
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