On 7/10/2013 1:34 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 10 Jul 2013, at 21:12, meekerdb wrote:

On 7/10/2013 2:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:06, John Clark wrote:

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au <mailto:kimjo...@ozemail.com.au>> wrote:

            >>>I love Christopher Hitchens. I agree with many points. He is 
more an
            anticlerical than an atheist to me ...

        >> Everybody called him an atheist.  He called himself an atheist.  I 
        you just don't like the term.

    > Forgivable though, don't you think?

No I do not, I think it's unforgivable to value a word more than the concept it represents.

But this is exactly what you are doing John. God represent a concept, even, at the start, the mother of all concept. You just want that the word God applies only to the theistic notion of some institutionalized religion, where some want to use it in very large sense akin to its original meaning.

It's ancient meaning referred to superhumanly powerful, immortal people that lived in inaccessible places (above the firmament, beneath the Earth,...) and occasionally punished or rewarded humans.

I'm sure you believe in these gods; since they are logically possible.

I met them all the time, sure.

I believe in thunders, I belief in the earth, I believe in the fire. The fire can reward me, by warming me up when it is cold, and can punish me too, when I go to much closer.

Of course I have updated many technical details, about firmaments and things like that. I bet that they are appearances emerging from infinities of (number's) dreams.

Did you update the part about them being people whose approval you should seek?

"People are more unwilling to give up the word 'God' than to give up the idea for which the word has hitherto stood"
    --- Bertrand Russell

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