On Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:00:44 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
> On 18 July 2013 23:20, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> >> I did use the term "rational" perhaps inappropriately. I meant that 
> >> some aesthetic choices have evolutionary utility and others not. 
> >> Nevertheless, all aesthetic choices must be determined by the physics 
> >> of our brain, unless they are determined by something else, such as an 
> >> immaterial soul. 
> >> 
> > 
> > If aesthetic choices were determined by physics of our brain then pure 
> sugar 
> > would look magical and gold would look like dirt. Aesthetics are not 
> > determined. Or they would both look like mosaics of neurochemical bonds. 
> I 
> > say 'look', but of course if aesthetics were driven by physics alone, 
> > nothing could 'look' like anything, no more than the positions of the 
> beads 
> > of an abacus can smell like something. 
> > 
> > The universe is an aesthetic agenda. Existence is that which seeks to 
> feel 
> > better, be more. Biology speeds it up in a microcosmic recapitulation is 
> > all, and human beings represent an even more radical experiment in what 
> I 
> > call solitrophy. 
> Craig, 
> If a dog started talking in full English sentences without 
> manipulation by an outside force the explanation must be in the 
> physics of its body. I don't think this statement is either clever or 
> controversial. And if the physics of the dog's body is computable then 
> it should be possible to make an artificial dog controlled by a 
> computer that talks in full English sentences just like the real dog. 
> I don't think that statement is either clever or controversial either. 
> It can be seen to be true in the absence of any understanding of dog 
> physiology. 
Of course the sensory-motive capacities of anything are reflected in 
physics, but it is not necessarily transitive. Physics may not be able 
replicate a particular being's sense or motive any more than the characters 
in a movie can change their own script.


> -- 
> Stathis Papaioannou 

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