On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:49 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote: > >> > It is, as always, a confusion of emergence levels. My will is an >> > emergent concept, > > > I have noticed a disturbing trend, the use of the word "emergent" as a > excuse for not thinking.
Sometimes that might be the case. Here, it's context. Free will is a human concept. Unless you frame it more precisely (through the mental tools of emergence and levels of abstraction), it becomes absurd. >> > that has no relevance to the microscopic realm of atoms, molecules > > > I have no objection to the word "will", it's only "free will" that's > gibberish; and if you change your will you change the arrangement of atoms > and molecules, and if somebody changes the arrangement of atoms and > molecules then your will changes. That seems pretty damn relevant to me, in > fact things just don't get any more relevant. > >> > Obviously, that the particular arrangement of molecules in my brain this >> > morning may have no precise causation is sufficient to guarantee my will to >> > be free. It is a debatable point whether it is necessary though > > > I recognize all the words but the way they are put together is such that If > you put a gun to my head I couldn't explain what the hell the above is > supposed to mean. > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.