On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:49 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013  Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote:
>
>> > It is, as always, a confusion of emergence levels. My will is an
>> > emergent concept,
>
>
> I have noticed a disturbing trend, the use of the word "emergent" as a
> excuse for not thinking.

Sometimes that might be the case. Here, it's context. Free will is a
human concept. Unless you frame it more precisely (through the mental
tools of emergence and levels of abstraction), it becomes absurd.

>> > that has no relevance to the microscopic realm of atoms, molecules
>
>
> I have no objection to the word "will", it's only "free will" that's
> gibberish;  and if you change your will you change the arrangement of atoms
> and molecules, and if somebody changes the arrangement of atoms and
> molecules then your will changes. That seems pretty damn relevant to me, in
> fact things just don't get any more relevant.
>
>> > Obviously, that the particular arrangement of molecules in my brain this
>> > morning may have no precise causation is sufficient to guarantee my will to
>> > be free. It is a debatable point whether it is necessary though
>
>
> I recognize all the words but the way they are put together is such that If
> you put a gun to my head I couldn't explain what the hell the above is
> supposed to mean.
>
>  John K Clark
>
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