On 6 November 2013 14:06, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:

> No no. But as long as you don't conflate the ideal, versus the real, and
> like the marxists did, justify ever failure of their system, to "it will be
> perfect in the future, comrades.".
>

You're calling them "Marxists" because they paid lip service to Marx, hence
my query about whether you are conflating them. I certainly haven't -
nowhere have I claimed that the so-called Communist, Socialist or Marxist
states were any such thing, in the sense that they adhered to the actual
economic doctrines....

...which they obviously didn't. (Ironically, Marx thought the state would
"wither away" in a true communist society.)

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