On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 11/10/2013 1:26 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 10 November 2013 21:40, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
>>>> Look, I hope global warming is not that serious, because if it is,
>>>> it's game over. Big government is most definitely not going to solve
>>>> it. I think you know this too. There isn't a magical point where to
>>>> government gets so big that it starts doing the right thing. If it's
>>>> very small, at least there's less opportunity for the already
>>>> ultra-rich to further their interests with our tax-money, like they do
>>>> at the moment.
>>> There is however a point at which a problem gets so big that even
>>> politicians realise they should do something about it, for their own
>> But if the global warming models are correct, that is already too
>> late. If I understand the most common models correctly, it _is_
>> already too late.
> Why don't you read what the IPCC reports actually say. It's too late keep
> CO2 below 450ppm. It's too late to prevent a temperature rise of 2degC.
> That doesn't mean it's too late to save civilization.
Alright, I was being a smart-ass about it because every few years we
receive this message that we have some window of opportunity of 5 more
minutes or we are doomed. The last one was last month at some complex
As I said before, I am agnostic on this issue for the following reasons:
- I am not educated in climate science and I am sufficiently educated
in science to understand that it would take years of full-time effort
to get to a point where I could judge the merit of climate science
research findings by myself -- even there I would probably have to
become an insider, because I understand that a lot of key data is
never made publicly available;
- I am sufficiently knowledgable of complex systems to be skeptical of
the predictive power of any complex systems model at our current level
- The issue became so heavily politicised that it is basically not
reasonable to trust news reporting on either side of it.
I am aware of the 5th IPCC report and I am also aware of claims by
reputable climate scientists that the models' predictions appear to be
deviating increasingly from the observables:
I am not invested in disproving global warming. I like to think I am
scientifically-minded, so I accept reality whatever it is. I hope it
is wrong. I suspect some people want it to be true.
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