On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:03, Jesse Mazer wrote:
I don't have institutional access but I was able to read it online,
That was what Elsevier (Santa) promised.
though not to download it as a PDF
Pfftt.... Santa looks like being a bit shabby those days ...
(I just copy-and-pasted all the text for future reference instead).
It's great to see each step of the argument laid out in greater
detail than I've seen on the list (admittedly I don't consistently
read all the posts here)--I still have doubts about step 8, the film-
graph argument, hopefully will have time to write up my response soon.
Thanks. We can come back on step 8 anytime. It shows that any
supplementary assumptions we could add to (Robinson, no induction
axioms) Arithmetic will not change anything about the belief we can
have on matter, making primitive matter into ether or phlogiston. Step
8 just reduces the amount of occam razor that we should need in step
7, in case we want to stop the argument at that step.
Step 8 is not so useful in this list, because most people here are
'everythingers', and so find quite doubtful the idea that we would
live in a unique little physical universe, which is the move you can
still do at step 7 to save the idea of real ontological primitive
matter (but who needs that?). Step 8 makes primitive matter into a god-
of-the-gap explaining nothing, not even the appearance of matter
(unless you make it non Turing emulable and playing a role in the
brain, but then comp get wrong).
UDA 1-7 is purely deductive, but step 8 is supposed to make the link
with 'reality', and so we need some use of occam razor.
Bruno
Jesse
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:32 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
Excellent, Bruno! I'm very glad for you - and for the wider
audience that will now read your ideas. However I notice Santa only
delivers if you have institutional access. I do. But others on the
list may not.
Brent
On 12/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi,
Santa Klaus exists, and by its magical power seems to have made my
last paper ("The computationalist reformulation of the mind-body
problem") in Progress in biophysics and molecular biology, *freely*
available; here:
http://elsarticle.com/18AF6PI
This offer seems to last up to the 31 january (Santa Klaus seems to
have only a *finite* amount of magic).
So please download, comment, ask questions, etc. it contains
(again!) the two main parts (UDA, AUDA), but also answers to many
reviewers' questions in an appendix.
I send this also on FOAR, for Gary :) (apology for the doubletons)
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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