On 12/16/2013 9:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    On 12/16/2013 8:52 PM, LizR wrote:
    On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com
    <mailto:stephe...@provensecure.com>> wrote:

        Dear LizR,

          That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an
        observer in such a universe, it's far too simple." There could not be 
        wherefore "he could deduce the existence of 17 theoretically, and work 
out its
        properties" is impossible: probability zero.

    I can't see the significance of this argument. If we take a large enough 
    say 10^80, that observers /can /exist, we can then ask whether such 
observers could
    work out the properties of numbers greater than 10^80.

    Can we?  Whenever I add 1 to 10^80 I get 10^80 in spite of Peano.

Use a programming language such as python or Java which supports big integers. It will let you add 1 to 10^80.

I know. I was just taking 10^80 to mean "a very big number" which of course depends on context. I generally do applied physics and engineering and so 10^80+1 = 10^80 for physical variables.


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