On Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:42:20 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Dec 2013, at 15:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > "humans are machines unable to recognize the fact that they are machines," >> > > Who wrote this? > > *any* ideally correct machines is unable to recognize the fact that they > are machines. >
Just someone on a Facebook thread, I forget who. Anyone who says yes to the doctor then cannot be an ideally correct machine. Craig > > Bruno > > > > I would re-word it as 'Humans are not machines but when they introspect on > their most mechanical aspects mechanistically, they are able to imagine > that they could be machines who are unable recognize the fact." > > I agree that there is an intrinsic limit to Strong AI, but I think that > the limit is at the starting gate. Since consciousness is the embodiment of > uniqueness and unrepeatability, there is no "almost" conscious. It doesn't > matter how much the artist in the painting looks like he is really painting > himself in the mirror, or how realistic Escher makes the staircase look, > those realities are forever sculpted in theory, not in the multisense > realism. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
