Edgar wrote: *Terren,* *All human babies are automatically consciousness. They are conscious of whatever input data they have. I don't see the point of your question which is why I didn't answer before...* *Edgar*
I would risk the typo: *consciousless* instead of *your* (grammatical) typo . Do you know the way a newborn 'adjusts' *input data* in its starting intellect? Prof. Singer of Princeton does not trust babies minds during the first 2 months of after-birth life. I don't remember, was never so young. In my agnosticism I compose much more into that very poorly identified (and really not AGREED-UPON) term of *Ccness* why I extended its meaning beyond 'being conscious'. E.g.: while being "unconscious" (aka: cut out consciousness??) - while sleeping, you still react to an alarm clock, or a glass of cold water in your face. So I was looking for a wider territory meaning and arrived at the *'response to relations'* - (no matter what domain in the world-wide existence (reality???). - Awareness etc. included. Now: do not take it hard from me, if I filter your 'book' (ideas, explanations?) through my many-decades long conclusions (most learned 7 decades+ ago and do not just believe what YOU write. Most list-members are not ignorant novices, many have firm opinions of things you re-define and this is a natural source of disbelief. Your "In my book" is no argument. We wrote books as well. . *I "know" for sure that we don't know anything for sure.* I will not hunt after such items and when I post disbelief that is something I usually can support from my past experience. Have a good 2014 and beyond John Mikes On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > Terren, > > All human babies are automatically consciousness. They are conscious of > whatever input data they have. I don't see the point of your question which > is why I didn't answer before... > > Edgar > > > > On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 2:42:24 PM UTC-5, Terren Suydam wrote: > >> On the contrary, I replied with a question that went unanswered. >> >> It was a question about whether a human baby, fed a stream of virtual >> sense data as in the movie The Matrix, could be considered conscious in >> your theory, as you seemed to suggest that consciousness was a property of >> reality, as a function somehow of "ontological energy". >> >> Terren >> On Jan 8, 2014 1:49 PM, "Edgar L. Owen" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Telmo, >>> >>> Thanks for the link but see my new topic "A theory of consciousness" of >>> a few days ago which no one has even commented on and which is much more >>> reasonable and explanatory. >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:57:37 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: >>>> >>>> In case you haven't seen it... >>>> >>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1401.1219 >>>> >>>> Seems like an attempt to recover materialism, which strikes me as >>>> somewhat unexpected from Tegmark. Am I missing something? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Telmo. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
