John, PS: BTW your statement *I "know" for sure that we don't know anything for sure." is of course an illogical and meaningless self-contradiction. It has no relevance to reality....*
*Edgar* On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:45:20 PM UTC-5, JohnM wrote: > > Edgar wrote: > > *Terren,* > *All human babies are automatically consciousness. They are conscious of > whatever input data they have. I don't see the point of your question which > is why I didn't answer before...* > *Edgar* > > I would risk the typo: *consciousless* instead of *your* (grammatical) > typo . Do you know the way a newborn 'adjusts' *input data* in its > starting intellect? Prof. Singer of Princeton does not trust babies minds > during the first 2 months of after-birth life. I don't remember, was never > so young. > In my agnosticism I compose much more into that very poorly identified > (and really not AGREED-UPON) term of *Ccness* why I extended its meaning > beyond 'being conscious'. E.g.: while being "unconscious" (aka: cut out > consciousness??) - while sleeping, you still react to an alarm clock, or a > glass of cold water in your face. So I was looking for a wider territory > meaning and arrived at the *'response to relations'* - (no matter what > domain in the world-wide existence (reality???). - Awareness etc. included. > > Now: do not take it hard from me, if I filter your 'book' (ideas, > explanations?) through my many-decades long conclusions (most learned 7 > decades+ ago and do not just believe what YOU write. Most list-members are > not ignorant novices, many have firm opinions of things you re-define and > this is a natural source of disbelief. > Your "In my book" is no argument. We wrote books as well. . > > *I "know" for sure that we don't know anything for sure.* I will not hunt > after such items and when I post disbelief that is something I usually can > support from my past experience. > > Have a good 2014 and beyond > > John Mikes > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Terren, >> >> All human babies are automatically consciousness. They are conscious of >> whatever input data they have. I don't see the point of your question which >> is why I didn't answer before... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 2:42:24 PM UTC-5, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >>> On the contrary, I replied with a question that went unanswered. >>> >>> It was a question about whether a human baby, fed a stream of virtual >>> sense data as in the movie The Matrix, could be considered conscious in >>> your theory, as you seemed to suggest that consciousness was a property of >>> reality, as a function somehow of "ontological energy". >>> >>> Terren >>> On Jan 8, 2014 1:49 PM, "Edgar L. Owen" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Telmo, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the link but see my new topic "A theory of consciousness" of >>>> a few days ago which no one has even commented on and which is much more >>>> reasonable and explanatory. >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:57:37 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: >>>>> >>>>> In case you haven't seen it... >>>>> >>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1401.1219 >>>>> >>>>> Seems like an attempt to recover materialism, which strikes me as >>>>> somewhat unexpected from Tegmark. Am I missing something? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Telmo. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
