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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:
> c is actually the speed of TIME as the STc equation makes clear. It just
> so happens that light, having no velocity in time, always travels at the
> speed of time in all observers' frames thorough SPACE. All its spacetime
> velocity is only through space.
> I didn't say anything travels faster than c. Why claim that?
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:14:56 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>> Dear Edgar,
>> Your argument is based on a disconception of what the speed of light
>> is! Light -photons- do not "move" at all. They are the null length "rays"
>> that connect events together. Nothing can travel faster than c because to
>> do so would be traveling in less than zero distances.
>> A light cone is defined as those events that are "connected" by the
>> null rays. You really need to go back to the books and work the math to
>> learn and understand what it means. Books for laymen are only good for
>> wetting one's appetites for the real thing.
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>> Bravo! Someone actually registered some of my arguments, though I would
>> state them slightly differently.
>> The argument in question, that everyone except Brent seems to have
>> missed, is simple.
>> SR requires that everything moves at the speed of light through
>> spacetime. This is NOT just "a useful myth", it's a very important
>> fundamental principle of reality (I call it the STc Principle).
>> This is true of all motions in all frames. It's a universal absolute
>> Now the fact that everything continually moves at the speed of light
>> through spacetime absolutely requires that everything actually moves and
>> continually moves through just TIME at the speed of light in one direction
>> in their own frame. This movement requires there to be an arrow of time,
>> and this principle is the source of the arrow of time and gives the arrow
>> of time a firm physical basis.
>> Second, because everything is always moving through time at the speed of
>> light everything MUST be at one and only one location in time. That present
>> location in time is the present moment, it's a unique privileged moment in
>> (This argument demonstrates only there must be a present moment for every
>> observer. The other argument Brent references is necessary to demonstrate
>> that present moment is universal and common to all observers.) Bravo again
>> Brent, for remembering that one too!
>> Since by the STc Principle everything must be at one and only one
>> position in time and traveling through time at c in one direction, this
>> conclusively falsifies block time.
>> Thus SR conclusively falsifies block time. QED.
>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:39:48 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
>> On 1/15/2014 2:54 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>> Dear Edgar,
>> ï¿½ I will have to agree with LizR here. SR in fact makes the notion of
>> a present moment a nonsensical concept, as SR shows how there does not
>> exist, nay cannot exist any global frame of simultaneity. This prevents the
>> existence, if SR is correct and good evidence tells us that it is, of any
>> thing like a global present moment.
>> ï¿½ "That dog don't hunt!"
>> But notice that Edgar makes two kinds of arguments:
>> First, the local event argument - if two bodies interact it must be at
>> the same moment (he neglects to to mention that it must also be at the same
>> Second, the continuity argument -
>> if two bodies interact at two different events than at any given time
>> between those two events both bodies exist and this means that they are
>> existing in the same moment, even though they are in different places..
>> Curiously, in his online blog about SR he takes the same approach as
>> Lewis Carrol Epstein in his excellent little book "Relativity
>> Visualized".ï¿½ He notes that everything is always traveling at the speed
>> of light.ï¿½ If you're 'standing still' that means you're just traveling in
>> the time direction.ï¿½ So if you move in the space direction you must give
>> up some speed in the time direction.ï¿½ Epstein calls this a useful myth
>> and doesn't misused it.ï¿½ Edgar assumes that 'time direction' is fixed
>> like Newtonian space.
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