# Re: Tegmark's New Book

```Stephen,

Sure, those ancient Greeks also figured out that Apollo drove the sun
across the sky in his chariot too. Boy were they smart, the final arbiters
of truth!```
```
If all movement is illusion then most certainly you are also. Glad we got
that figured out! What am I doing here having this discussion? There has to
be something interesting on TV.....
:-)

Edgar

On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:55:09 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>
> Dear Edgar,
>
>   Bingo! You are correct. All motion in space-time is an illusion. The
> ancient greeks figured that out already.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
> Stephen,
>
> If time doesn't move then nothing moves.
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:48:02 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>
> Dear Edgar,
>
>   Time is not the movement of the hands or numbers of a clock, it is the
> measure of the mapping between the positions of the hands. That is not
> "motion", it is something else. Time does not move.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>
> Stephen,
>
> "Time does not move"??? Even your clock knows better than that! And you
> think my theories are weird!
>
>  Edgar
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:35:26 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>
>  Dear Bot,
>
> responses are failing to achieve the predicted response. Get new ones.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>
> Stephen,
>
> c is actually the speed of TIME as the STc equation makes clear. It just
> so happens that light, having no velocity in time, always travels at the
> speed of time in all observers' frames thorough SPACE. All its spacetime
> velocity is only through space.
>
> I didn't say anything travels faster than c. Why claim that?
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:14:56 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>
> Dear Edgar,
>
>   Your argument is based on a disconception of what the speed of light is!
> Light -photons- do not "move" at all. They are the null length "rays" that
> connect events together. Nothing can travel faster than c because to do so
> would be traveling in less than zero distances.
>   A light cone is defined as those events that are "connected" by the null
> rays. You really need to go back to the books and work the math to learn
> and understand what it means. Books for laymen are only good for wetting
> one's appetites for the real thing.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>
> Brent,
>
> Bravo! Someone actually registered some of my arguments, though I would
> state them slightly differently.
>
> The argument in question, that everyone except Brent seems to have missed,
> is simple.
>
> SR requires that everything moves at the speed of light through spacetime.
> This is NOT just "a useful myth", it's a very important fundamental
> principle of reality (I call it the STc Principle).
>
> This is true of all motions in all frames. It's a universal absolute
> principle.
>
> Now the fact that everything continually moves at the speed of light
> through spacetime absolutely requires that everything actually moves and
> continually moves through just TIME at the speed of light in one direction
> in their own frame. This movement requires there to be an arrow of time,
> and this principle is the source of the arrow of time and gives the arrow
> of time a firm physical basis.
>
> Second, because everything is always moving through time at the speed of
> light everything MUST be at one and only one location in time. That present
> location in time is the present moment, it's a unique privileged moment in
> time.
>
> (This argument demonstrates only there must be a present moment for every
> observer. The other argument Brent references is necessary to demonstrate
> that present moment is universal and common to all observers.) Bravo again
> Brent, for remembering that one too!
>
> Since by the STc Principle everything
>
> ...

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