Dear Brent, I agree with Bruno on these point more than what with you.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 1/17/2014 5:40 PM, LizR wrote: > > But apparently the brain has a lot to do with those computations in >> Platonia, c.f. anesthetic. Notice that I'm not a disciple of Platonia. >> > > Me neither, I am agnostic - but within comp it is assumed, so while > discussing comp we have to assume it (unless we're rejecting comp on that > basis). But I can see that Platonia makes sense in that 17 does seem to be > prime idependently of you and me and everyone else, which is (I'm told) > enough for the whole shebang to come into some sort of existence. > > > I don't think you have to buy the equivalence between (17 is prime) is > true and (17 is prime) exists. > AFAIK, there is a universal relationship between ("17 is prime" is a true statement) and (17 is prime is a true statement) iff we are considering wolds that require (via inference) that 17 is prime. If an infinite number of observer agree that they have never observed that "17 is prime" is not true, then what? > In fact Bruno always says you only have to believe the first for his > argument to succeed. > I don;t see a problem with that; we start with the facts in front of us. I exist. I am aware that it is possible that others like me exist. > But then he slips in the UD and it seems that every truth of arithmetic > implies and existence. > No, the way that AR is defined and in the UDA, it is required that arithmetic encodes somehow every truth about both. > I think this is the same problem as step 8. > Please elaborate! > If everything has to be simulated, then there's no difference between > simulated and real. If I'm "really" existing in an infinity of > world/simulations that are *just like this one up to now* - then they ARE > this one (c.f. Leibniz). > I disagree, the simulation of a Thing and the thing cannot be distinguished. This requires that a class of "similar" things that could stand in for "I" and that the random observers of the vendor are trackable. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/TBc_y2MZV5c/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 [email protected] http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
