Dear Jason, Bent and LizR,

  This conversation is getting interesting!


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:

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>
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> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>  On 1/17/2014 8:28 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:16 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>>  On 1/17/2014 5:40 PM, LizR wrote:
>>>
>>>  But apparently the brain has a lot to do with those computations in
>>>> Platonia, c.f. anesthetic.  Notice that I'm not a disciple of Platonia.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Me neither, I am agnostic - but within comp it is assumed, so while
>>> discussing comp we have to assume it (unless we're rejecting comp on that
>>> basis). But I can see that Platonia makes sense in that 17 does seem to be
>>> prime idependently of you and me and everyone else, which is (I'm told)
>>> enough for the whole shebang to come into some sort of existence.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I don't think you have to buy the equivalence between (17 is prime) is
>>> true and (17 is prime) exists.
>>>
>>
>>  No, but all statements about programs can be translated into truth
>> statements about the natural numbers. So you could say "Program X is
>> conscious of the information Y" is a true statement, and that truth implies
>> that the conscious thought of X exists. (Just as the primeness of 17
>> implies two factors of 17 exist).
>>
>>
>> But where does it exist?
>>
>
> Are you asking for spatial coordinates? I don't know what kind of answer
> would satisfy that question. It exists as a member in the collection of
> mathematical truth; it has no spatial or physical coordinates.
>
>
>> X has to be conscious of a location, a physics, etc.
>>
>
> All that is necessary for it to be conscious of a location or a physics,
> (assuming that is necessary), can exist in the mind of X. Or maybe X is
> part of a still larger program, which provides the information of Y.
>
>
>> If all this is the same as where I exist, then it is just a translation
>> of this world into arithmetic.  It's the flip side of "A perfect
>> description of X is the same as X", i.e. "X is the perfect description of
>> X".  If every perfect description is realized somewhere in arithmetic (and
>> I think it probably is) nothing is gained by saying we may be in arithmetic.
>>
>
> This is about more than descriptions or what is describable. If
> mathematical statements are true independent of anything else then
> mathematical truth can serve as the basis of all that we consider to be
> real.
>
> Jason
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