-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Discovery of quantum vibrations in brain microtubules confirms Hameroff/Penrose consciousness theory basis
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:11:57PM -0800, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Russell > Standish > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Discovery of quantum vibrations in brain microtubules > confirms Hameroff/Penrose consciousness theory basis > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 05:56:23PM +1300, LizR wrote: > > On 18 January 2014 13:33, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 04:08:08PM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > > > Russell, > > > > > > > > PS: On second thought maybe we don't agree completely. Though > > > > free will > > > is > > > > quantum random based (we agree on that), it doesn't mean that it > > > > is "irrational". > > > > > > > > If human actions and the actions of other biological organisms > > > > weren't basically rational they couldn't function or survive in > > > > the real actual world they live in.... > > > > > > That is not true. Read up on the concept of Machiavellian > > > Intelligence. A modicum of irrationality is just what it takes to > > > get ahead in the world, it makes one less predictable to one's > competitors. > > > > > > > Russell, what you are saying here is that unpredictability is > > rational, not that "irrationality is what it takes to get ahead" ! > > >>No, I'm not. Rational agents are entirely predictable. They always > >>choose > the best course of action, or fail to make a choice at all ("it does > not compute!"). They cannot behave unpredictably. > > This definition pretty much eliminates the 7 billion plus naked > (clothed) apes mucking this place up from the running... oh well. > > Exactly! Humans are sometimes rational, but much less so than economists presume. That is an understatement :) Furthermore, human's often overlay splendid rationales and elaborate deeply layered justifications over what at their core -- beneath the reasoned discourse etc. -- is naked irrationality; very often utterly unseen by the individual in whom it is expressing. We are so often blind to our own irrational behaviors, believing ourselves to be creatures of reason -- and we are on occasion I agree. The upfront visible irrational behavior is mirrored by much harder to grapple with ghost irrationalities that seem rational and supported by reason, at least superficially. These can slip by with much more ease and germinate within our minds. And an idea, or notional construct, once incorporated into the unquestioned realm of that which is "known" can spawn entire cascades of actions and ideas that ultimately flow from it, even if at several degrees of remove. The unexamined, unknown irrational mind is far more insidious and difficult to pin down or even recognize. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
