Spud,

We could always ask Kip Thorne who is a of course a leading authority on 
gravitation to judge. I'm just repeating what his book says.

If anyone has the book Gravitation, Misner, Thorne and Wheeler explain this 
on page 718.

I also ran this dark matter theory by Leonard Susskind a couple years back 
and he said it was certainly a possibility..

Edgar




On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:53:07 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>
> How would you guys collect on this friendly bet? What evidence would 
> definitively prove who is right? 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Edgar L. Owen <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> To: everything-list <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:47 pm
> Subject: Re: A humble suggestion to the group
>
>  Pierz, 
>
>  How about a $100 bet on who's right about spacetime expansion? You or 
> Misner, Thorne, Wheeler and me?
> :-)
>
>  Edgar
>
>  
>
> On Monday, January 20, 2014 6:42:59 PM UTC-5, Pierz wrote:
>>
>> Haha. 
>>
>>  Edgar, I have also modified my views through participation on this 
>> list. As it has for Liz, Bruno's "comp" has become borderline credible to 
>> me, though I am far from a "true believer". I've also been educated in a 
>> lot of philosophy of mind and had my grasp of key concepts in physics 
>> refined and sharpened. My fundamental position on AI has been altered 
>> significantly. The process of changing one's core beliefs is a slow, 
>> iterative one. Everyone's world view is a work in progress, or should be. 
>> But necessarily and rightly, we change by doing our best to defend our 
>> ideas against attack and critique. There's a certain irony to your remarks, 
>> because I have certainly seen not an iota of willingness on your part to 
>> change *your* views. It seems rather that you think it your business to 
>> bring enlightenment to everyone else here without truly opening your eyes 
>> and ears to competing or contradictory ideas. And it's rather disingenuous 
>> of you to talk about subjecting our ideas to a regime of tests when you 
>> completely ignored my $100 challenge to define any way to experimentally 
>> falsify your Universal Present Moment. That whole thread was the most 
>> exhausting, prolonged piece of head-against-the-wall-bashing I've 
>> encountered on this list, and believe me I've seen a few!
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:25:58 AM UTC+11, Brent wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 1/20/2014 11:18 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>>>  
>>> There are obviously a lot of very intelligent members here who are well 
>>> read in modern science. I think everyone would agree with this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Except for a few that are unfamiliar with relativity theory.
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>  
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