Dear Stephen,
I am at a loss when I want to decipher meaning from machine-talk. My
excellent old musical hearing deteriorated to shambles: I 'hear', but to
decipher the meaning I need the harmonics what I can get (not alwys) from
natural voice talking. Is there some 'readable' to explain Donald Hoffman's
talk?
I could not follow your position, but I think a broader sense may include
subchapters in the same unit.
Deduction upon mental input may include mathematical computations and
physical deductions as well.
My agnosticism is SPREAD-wise, not restricting: I find as applicable MORE
than within reductionistic science. ("Infinite complexity" of unknown
qualia).I feel 'my' agnosticism is not ignorance-based, ignorance comes as a contrary: I MAY find it believeable that there is much much more (and different) from what we hold as 'possible' in our human wisdom - and all that may have some impact on what we think is the sole (and entire?) "world" (our model). John M On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Stephen Paul King < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear John, > > Thank you for trying to parse my gobbletygok! Watch the Donald Hoffman > talk, then think about what your saying. > > http://youtu.be/dqDP34a-epI > > Are you following my argument that we need a dual pair of Categories, not > just one? > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:37 PM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> No matter how I try to slice it, the 'opinions' about computation seem >> to be restricted to a reductionist view of mathematical base - maybe >> including some physical terms (entropy? information as 'bit' etc.) as well. >> No wonder, the List-members are hooked in these domains. >> I started out with the Latin word-origin: "cum" + "putare" - to THINK >> WITH... or TOGETHER. to put 2 (or more) ideas together and derive some >> solution of more than a single line. Of course it can be exploited in >> math-terms as well and if somebody is anchored in the physical terms, such >> will surface sooner, or later. >> Which s=does not mean that the 'concept' of a computation is restricted >> to such utilitarianism. >> >> I was hoping that some "free" minds may pick up my more extended idea >> and respond in kind. >> No such chance. >> The learned members repeat their usual wordings - no matter what. >> >> Stephen started a fresh initiative: >> *...Not everything. It would embrace the category of emulations, >> simulations, representations and all other information related aspects of >> the universe. It is not necessary for this Category to be identified with >> the physical world*.... >> but fell back soon, continuing >> *...Yes, it must be related to the physical but that relation can be a >> morphism to another Category: that of physical objects, forces, >> thermodynamics, energy, etc....* >> I almost cried Heureka!. >> Those figments are useful aslong as they serve their purpose - to some >> extent. Not as a 'Brunoish theology' of them all. Just compare our world >> (?) viewed today with that of how it was viewed millennia ago. Or with the >> view before 'entropy' was started to expand beyond the 2nd law's natural >> processes. >> Or before QM? >> Who dares to draw conclusions FOREVER? how we will look at the world >> during the next millennium? >> >> As I expressed several times: I appreciate the results of OUR >> (conventional - reductionst) sciences and technology, but it is an "almost" >> true wisdom. >> John Mikes >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 5:50 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 23 January 2014 03:13, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 5:10:34 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Addendum >>>>> >>>>> Sorry a wee typo. I meant "*Yet* presumably brain cells, when lumped >>>>> together into a brain..." >>>>> >>>> >>>> It bugs me that you can't edit after posting on here. I guess every >>>> forum has its irritating features. >>>> >>> >>> Yes. 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