On 27 Jan 2014, at 22:48, LizR wrote:

On 28 January 2014 06:07, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
On 27 Jan 2014, at 17:18, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014  Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

> John should read the book by Jammer on Einstein's religion. 2/3 of that book is really informative about Einstein's religion.

Rather than read what Jammer had to say try reading what Einstein himself had to say about God:

"it was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

This makes my point. Einstein illustrates that you can believe in a non personal God.

After all my lessons in logic, I feel duty bound to point out that Einstein only said that he didn't believe in a personal God. From that, one cannot deduce that he thought you can believe in a non- personal God (or god, if you prefer).

That is right.

But the premise is false. Einstein did not only said that he does not believe in a personal God. Clark was quoting partially Einstein, out of the context. Einstein said also that he believes in God.



(I would try to formalise this, something like ~p -> q =/= p -> ~q but my expertise in meta-self-doubt assures me I'd probably mess it up.)

~p -> q is indeed not equivalent with p -> ~q.

This means that ((~p -> q) <-> (p -> ~q)) is not a law.

But that does not mean that its negation is a law.

~((~p -> q) <-> (p -> ~q))   is not a law either.

Bruno



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