On 28 Jan 2014, at 20:01, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
> I hope those are real quotes. There are quite a few fake Einstein
quotes floating around the web.
They were real, real enough to provoke a furious response from
thousands of American hillbillies in the 1930's such as:
"Professor Einstein, I believe that every Christian in America will
answer you, "We will not give up our belief in our God and his son
Jesus Christ, but we invite you, if you do not believe in the God of
the people of this nation, to go back where you came from." I have
done everything in my power to be a blessing to Israel, and then you
come along and with one statement from your blasphemous tongue, do
more to hurt the cause of your people than all the efforts of the
Christians who love Israel can do to stamp out anti-Semitism in our
land. Professor Einstein, every Christian in America will
immediately reply to you, "Take your crazy, fallacious theory of
evolution and go back to Germany where you came from, or stop trying
to break down the faith of a people who gave you a welcome when you
were forced to flee your native land."
"We deeply regret that you made your statement in which you ridicule
the idea of a personal God. In the past ten years nothing has been
so calculated to make people think that Hitler had some reason to
expel the Jews from Germany as your statement. Conceding your right
to free speech, I still say that your statement constitutes you as
one of the greatest sources of discord in America."
All this makes my point. Einstein provides a good example of someone
believing in God, but not the God of the institution. You seem to
share the regret of the Christians, which confirms my feeling that
atheists defend the christian conception of God, against all others.
As I said, in absolute value, atheists are christians. You don't like
this, but you keep defending the christian idea of God.
Bruno
John K Clark
On 28 January 2014 05:18, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> John should read the book by Jammer on Einstein's religion. 2/3 of
that book is really informative about Einstein's religion.
Rather than read what Jammer had to say try reading what Einstein
himself had to say about God:
"it was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not
believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of
the world so far as our science can reveal it."
And:
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything
that could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is
a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very
imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility"
And:
"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even
naive."
And:
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man
would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of
punishment and hope of reward after death."
And:
"I don't try to imagine a personal God; it suffices to stand in awe
at the structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate
senses to appreciate it."
Although to a far less degree I will admit that Einstein was
sometimes guilty of the same sin that members of this list
habitually commit, falling in love not with the concept but with the
English word "God" when all Einstein meant is "awe at the structure
of the world".
> John seems to be unaware what God was for the greeks,
John is board to death by the Greeks, scornful of their enormous
ignorance and utterly repelled by the unhealthy ancestor worship
that is epidemic on the everything list.
> John acts in a way which is typical for the usual christians.
Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never
heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12.
John K Clark
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