Thanks, Russell. It seems I may be a bit(?) obsolete as compared to your views.
However: When I walked in to a 'good' hard-copy library I pulled out more than 'exact' notations and found lesser related hints tha lead me to new ideas (hence my patents). At a 'modern' company tons of metal-rolles were stored in the Rockys with data we sometimes wanted to recoop: there were no instruments available already to decipher them. Your 'spinning disk' may take care of that, I don't know it. Curating? one man's 'curation' may hide the interesting part from another man's search. I bounced into that when in the 50s I worked with the library-decimalization system and much was lost by faulty interpreting bu the coder. The 'audio' ref may be wrong, sorry. With #5 I wanted to point to our limited knowledge of whatever *may* come up. I am agnostic. Respectfully John M On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Russell Standish <[email protected]>wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 04:23:45PM -0500, John Mikes wrote: > > Russell, thanks for the reply. > > My additional points: > > > > 1. You do not believe in technical progress (scanning SELECT > hardcopy-parts > > would take seconds). > > Wrong. It still takes a long time - of the order of minutes per A4 > page (5-10KB of data, now we have TBs of data to archive and restore), > even with OCR and ECC technologies, which didn't really exist back in > the 1980s. > > > 2. You seem to think of 'storing' everything. Not every page is worth > > 'forever'. Think "errors" - "Obsolescence". > > Quite true, but the cost of curating the data (particularly when the > curating gets it wrong) typically outweighs the cost of storing the > data and transferring the data to new digital formats when they arise > by many orders of magnitude. > > BTW - I do curate my own data, mainly because too much cruft makes me > inefficient, but I don't dare curate my wife's data. So I have to put > up with the cruft whenever she asks me to find XXX. > > > 3. Whatever you 'backup' today may get out-of-technique some time and > lost > > again. > > Hence the "spinning disk" comment. Nothing else works in the long term. > > > 4. (to point 1): audio - (based?) storing may apply some newer AI with > > topical comparison and REPLY - so that > > would contribute to #2 as well. > > What do you mean by "audio" storage? Literally, audio is ephemeral. To > store it requires a storage medium, whether they be wax cylinders, or > modern MP3 data files on flash media. > > > 5-1000 think about alll the rest what we do not even think of today > > We have to think about it today, otherwise it is lost tomorrow. > > > > > John Mikes > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Russell Standish <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 03:45:43PM -0500, John Mikes wrote: > > > > Russell wrote Jan 26: > > > > > > > > .*.We must make sure we have backups this time!*. > > > > > > > > How about on paper? E.g. hard copies, like in a millennia-old * L I > B R > > > A R > > > > Y ? * > > > > *John Mikes* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's funny - I used to use paper backup copies in my early years of > > > computing (think Z80 processor running CP/M with floppy disks), and > > > even, on occasion, having to restore from them. I once loaded an APL > > > interpreter from printed source code, which took a couple of weeks - > > > particular to get it working! > > > > > > Restoring my laptop from a paper backup would now take several > > > centuries, or require a sizable army of typists, even using OCR... not > > > so useful. > > > > > > The only backup/archive that works is "spinning disk" - a backup that > > > is copied to the current used media at all times. I'm in the process > > > now of transferring my CD/DVDRom collection to spinning disk - only > > > just in time I suspect. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > > > Principal, High Performance Coders > > > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] > > > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Everything List" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > > email to [email protected]. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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