On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:57 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > On 11 February 2014 16:40, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> The claimed consequence is that consciousness can be instantiated by a >> computation which requires no physical events. But I think what is shown >> is that there can be a world including conscious beings which does not >> require physical events in our world, i.e. they can be merely arithmetical >> or Turing machince "events". In other words it is possible to simulate a >> world with conscious beings. But that's not so surprising and doesn't >> imply that physics in this world is derivative from arithmetic (but it >> doesn't imply the contrary either). >> >> I'm not sure I see how you get the conclusion that such a thing can be > simulated in our world (if we assume it's physical) ? The UDA could be run > physically in our universe, but non "aphysically" (that I know of???) > >> >> It's all very well having reservations that X might make a difference, >> but as Bruno keeps saying, show him where he's gone wrong so he can stop >> worrying about comp and spend his time keeping bees instead! >> >> And I keep saying show me a significant prediction (not retrodiction) of >> comp. >> > > You wouldn't need to say that if you could show what's wrong with it! :-) > > (Sorry!) > > I think the chances are a TOE will have to go a looong way before it's > likely to make predictions rather than retrodictions. Didn't string theory > retrodict the graviton or something, and everyone said that was a positive > result? Well, Bruno's got qualia, apparently... >
String theory based on Maldacena's conjecture predicted the viscosity of the quark-gluon plasma before it was measured and more recently explained the mechanism behind EPR based on Einstein-Rosen bridges, which is more like a retrodiction. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
