On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:58, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I think that the opposite of everything that you are saying makes
more sense.:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:07:07 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
So the take away is that :
1. The universe, and everything in it, consists of information only.
And that information consists only of different arrangements of
elemental R-bits. And these elemental R-bits are the actual numbers
on the basis of which R-math continually computes the current state
of the universe.
The universe, and everything in it, consists of no information, but
only experiences which are informed through aesthetic acquaintance.
Information consists of no elemental structures at all, but rather
is distributed metaphorically in gaps between experiences using a
variety quantitative shortcuts.
That makes sense with comp.
2. Thus everything in the universe is made up of numbers and only
numbers.
Thus nothing in the universe is made up of "numbers", which is why
we have developed mathematics to enumerate what has no number itself.
Correct with comp.
3. All the things in the universe are just various arrangements and
relationships between these numbers.
Nothing in the universe is merely an arrangement or relationship
between "numbers".
OK. (Nothing in the physical and mental universe is merely an ...)
4. These are continually being recomputed by all the interactive
programs (all just aspects of a single universal program) that make
up all the processes in the universe.
There are no processes in the universe which are only computations.
Nothing in the universe depends on a continuous computation and
nothing that interacts can be purely a "program".
OK.
5. These processes follow fundamental logico-mathematical rules
which are part of what I call the extended fine tuning (the set of
every non-reducible aspect of reality including the rules of logic
it follows). These are analogous to the basic machine operations of
silicon computers.
Logico-mathematical rules are abstracted from approximation and
insensitivity, and are appropriate only for controlling forms and
functions from the outside in.
Correct.
6. The programs of reality are complex sequences of these elemental
operations acting on R-numbers which are just R-bits. In general
these sequences incorporate standard routines such as the particle
property conservation routine.
The reality of programs is simple logical elements operating on each
other with no profoundly meaningful application to the actual
presence of the universe or ourselves.
Here you depart from comp.
The aggregate result is the universe we exist within which consists
entirely of different types of information, a fact which can be
verified by direct objective observation.
The result is that the concepts we call number and information
consist entirely of the same type of reductive expectations, a fact
which can be verified by direct subjective participation.
Self-referentially relative numbers agree with you.
Our minds each internally simulate this information universe as the
physical, dimensional universe in which mind tells us we live. These
simulations are a convenient evolutionary illusion that enables us,
as programs within a universe of programs, to more effectively
compute our lives and function more successfully. They enable our
survival as individuals and as a species. That is why they have
evolved, even as they conceal the true underlying information nature
of reality.
Our internal experience is informed directly by opportunities for
quasi-veridical sensory entanglement from within, without, and
beyond our neurology. It is the idea of information and numbers
which is a meta-simulative technology that allows us to project our
control beyond our physical limitations. Computation accelerates and
amplifies existing tendencies of individual and collective users,
both threatening and supporting our survival.
Locally. But to do a scientific (modest and sharbale) theory, we need
to start from 3p agreement, and usually scientists agree with
statements like 17 is prime, but not on sense, quasi-veridical,
entanglement, etc.
Bruno
Craig
Edgar
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