Bruno, and Craig, Computational reality doesn't need any notion of primes, or 17 is a prime. In fact I don't see any reason why reality needs any concept even of 17 to compute its current state. If this is true then individual numbers such as 17 are not necessary for reality to compute the universe. I suspect what reality does is more 1:1 comparisons.
E.g. when reality makes a computation to conserve and redistribute particle properties among the outgoing particles of a particle interaction, it doesn't need to count up 17 of anything, it just has to know they are all distributed which it can do with simple 1;1 comparisons. It can do that by 1:1 comparisons, not by any notion of numbers such as 1, 2, or 17 much less any notion of primes. Ordinal and cardinal number, and all their properties such as odd, even or prime are thus characteristic of human H-math, not of the actual R-math of reality that actually computes the current state of the universe, at least so far as I can see. Edgar On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:36:29 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Feb 2014, at 13:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:18:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:58, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> Our internal experience is informed directly by opportunities for >> quasi-veridical sensory entanglement from within, without, and beyond our >> neurology. It is the idea of information and numbers which is a >> meta-simulative technology that allows us to project our control beyond our >> physical limitations. Computation accelerates and amplifies existing >> tendencies of individual and collective users, both threatening and >> supporting our survival. >> >> >> Locally. But to do a scientific (modest and sharbale) theory, we need to >> start from 3p agreement, and usually scientists agree with statements like >> 17 is prime, but not on sense, quasi-veridical, entanglement, etc. >> > > I agree that it is an important political consideration, but I don't think > it is a scientific consideration. At one time the starting point statements > that authorities agree with were found in the book of Genesis. > > > > The analogy does not work, because the statement that 17 is a prime number > is everything but political. But if you want start a party on the idea that > 17 is not prime, you are free to make it political. You will need > propaganda, torture, terror, and many things like that to keep power, but > then why not, we are used to this. > > My point was only that if you want to communicate something to others, you > have to adopt a language they understand, and start your theory from > statement on which they can agree "for the sake of the argument or not" > (that's private for the others). > > If not, all what you do is already a sort of propaganda. I'm afraid. > > Bruno > > > > > > > > Craig > > >> Bruno >> >> >> >> Craig >> >> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
