-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?
On 3/1/2014 7:54 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 01:03:39PM -0800, meekerdb wrote: >> On 3/1/2014 12:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 28 Feb 2014, at 23:58, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/28/2014 2:32 PM, LizR wrote: >>>>> "If it's all math, then where does math come from?" >>>>> >>>>> Strange to say, elementary maths just appears to be a fact. >>>>> That is, it is a fact that 1+1=2. >>>> Or it comes from our conceptualizing the world as consisting of >>>> distinct objects and counting them, c.f. William S. Cooper "The >>>> Origin of Reason" and Lakoff and Nunez "Where Mathematics Comes >>>> From". >>> That makes sense, but only by negating computationalism. >> I don't see that it is inconsistent with saying "yes" to the doctor >> - though it may be inconsistent with other parts of your argument >> like the UDA. >> >> Brent >> > I don't see that it negates COMP either. And in response to Chris's > original observation, why couldn't minds and phenomena emerge from > numbers, and simultaneously, numbers emerge from the mind. Such would > an example of Hofstadters "strange loop". > > IIRC, you (Brent) have suggested virtuous (or vicious) cycles at the > base of everything at times in the past too? >>Yes, except I conceive of a virtuous circle of explanation...and reject the idea that there is an base. An interesting view. Recently I have been toying with retro-causality as a potential mechanism for self-manifestation without any need of ultimate origin or any primal causation. Chris Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
