-----Original Message----- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:22 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?
On 3/1/2014 7:54 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 01:03:39PM -0800, meekerdb wrote: >> On 3/1/2014 12:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 28 Feb 2014, at 23:58, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/28/2014 2:32 PM, LizR wrote: >>>>> "If it's all math, then where does math come from?" >>>>> >>>>> Strange to say, elementary maths just appears to be a fact. >>>>> That is, it is a fact that 1+1=2. >>>> Or it comes from our conceptualizing the world as consisting of >>>> distinct objects and counting them, c.f. William S. Cooper "The >>>> Origin of Reason" and Lakoff and Nunez "Where Mathematics Comes >>>> From". >>> That makes sense, but only by negating computationalism. >> I don't see that it is inconsistent with saying "yes" to the doctor >> - though it may be inconsistent with other parts of your argument >> like the UDA. >> >> Brent >> > I don't see that it negates COMP either. And in response to Chris's > original observation, why couldn't minds and phenomena emerge from > numbers, and simultaneously, numbers emerge from the mind. Such would > an example of Hofstadters "strange loop". > > IIRC, you (Brent) have suggested virtuous (or vicious) cycles at the > base of everything at times in the past too? >>Yes, except I conceive of a virtuous circle of explanation...and reject the idea that there is an base. An interesting view. Recently I have been toying with retro-causality as a potential mechanism for self-manifestation without any need of ultimate origin or any primal causation. Chris Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
