On 02 Mar 2014, at 10:21, Chris de Morsella wrote:



From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of LizR On 2 March 2014 21:05, Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> wrote:

I agree that it does not reach the level of an explanation, but am toying with how it could be a mechanism by which something could seemingly arise from nothing at all. If - as you point out the laws of physics (or math perhaps if physics itself is emergent) need to exist a priori that allow retro-causation to occur.

Fair enough. The upshot (I think) would be that whatever exists is a 4 (or more) dimensional structure which is in a sense free-floating - whether it's one universe, a self-generating universe or an infinite and eternal universe, it effectively comes from nothing (except whatever causes it to exist in an atemporal manner).

Yes.... A higher dimensional manifold, a dynamic topography, intrinsic and auto-catalyzed, primally causal; yet uncaused. In combination with the dynamism of computationalism (and Darwinian evolution): All that ever was, will be or can be emerges from some simplest minimal set of arithmetic axiomic entities operating over and on enumerable and set entities... and in doing so, unleashing the dynamically self-feeding, recursive process of self-emergence - now imagine emergence with the addition of retro-causation feedback auto- catalyzing the process.
This is speculative, of course, and enjoyable.... For some at least LOL

If the brain is Turing emulable, then it is a theorem, with the usual Occam razor. It makes comp (and the classical theory of knowledge) refutable, because physics and math have to emerge from arithmetic in a very special way, constraining completely what is and what is not observable.

Bruno





Chris
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