Seems to me that you are presenting an idealised world in which the elite behaves rationally. History shows this is far from true, with rulers partying or ordering the building of huge statues while while their crops failed, and insisted up until the last minute that nothing was wrong and business could continue as normal. The archaeological evidence is everywhere, according to Ronald Wright.
On 13 March 2014 12:44, <[email protected]> wrote: > You are presenting an idealized world view that scientists, that are > incorruptible, reasoned, unemotional, and lacking character flaws. That > can never enforce a conformity amongst themselves. Nobody in or out of > science is raving for dikes to be built along the worlds coastlines, or > moving to clean energy (that actually works), so that is not happening, and > I wonder why? > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 5:36 pm > Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >>Chris, unless you have of cash to influence politicians, or are > working as a climatologist and looking forward to a job in some > governmental agency, its all goose eggs. Your premise is that IPCC is > accurate, but there's a discrepancy, in what governmentals are saying and > proposing. > > Dude -- please. The graph of rates of extinction over time; the data on > species extinctions (past & current) has nothing to do with the IPCC.... > nadda, zilch. If you could please get this to somehow make it past the fog > of your ignorance that would be helpful. > > You have a strange idea of how science works. Thousands of field > biologists, working over many decades and even centuries now -- have > contributed to a growing body of basic data on species, including a census > (by far most species have never been discovered and are not cataloged yet). > This is where the raw extinction data is coming from... biologist field > assays & surveys. The IPCC has nothing to do with this at all. Inform > yourself before shooting your big mouth off. > > > >> My guess is they, > > Your "guess" is worse than useless... it is unfounded, ideologically > driven drivel... and I will leave it at that. To say anymore is merely > wasting words. > > Chris > > > like yourself, are calling danger to the dreadful climate change > man-bear-pig (South Park episode) but that danger doesn't seem to be > manifesting as predicted. You never asked me what I would do if AGW-Climate > manbearpig were true, and I was a governmental or mental. But from your > comments I clearly, got the message that you were disinterested/amused and > wanted to see how the riff raff would take your baiting. I baited back, and > so forth and so on sig transit Gloria Mundi ad naseum. You are > disinterested because you know what you want, and wanted obedience to your > faith. I grok that. You never provided any ideas yourself, beyond > conservation, when your fellow allies in academia, concluded that changing > energy systems won't mean a thing ( I disagree). So just let the EPA Nazis > have their way, and all will be fine :-) I, of course, disagree. > > > > > > Of course, I heartily agree that you are most disagreeable... the kind of > giant of clear headed human intellect, who responds to facts with > fulminations trailing off into nonsensical strings of words... a kind of Tea > Party inspired stream of consciousness. > I wouldn't expect anything less of you; nor more.... And that's the rub now, > isn't it? > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 1:00 am > Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]?>] > *On Behalf Of *[email protected] > > Sorry Chris, in a world of nasty, stubborn, skeptics, unwilling to > genuflect at the great, green Gaia, expect lots of disagreeable people like > me. What you have put forth does not line up well with cause and effect, > but rather, ideology. I'll pass, thank you. > Of course, I heartily agree that you are most disagreeable... the kind of > giant of clear headed human intellect, who responds to facts with > fulminations trailing off into nonsensical strings of words... a kind of Tea > Party inspired stream of consciousness. > I wouldn't expect anything less of you; nor more.... And that's the rub now, > isn't it? > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]?>] > > On Behalf Of [email protected] > > > > > > >>Jesus, Chris. You must think that people all fit into nice little shoe > >>boxes, > > easily, applied taxonimies. Yea vearilly, no. > > > > No.... just people, like you, who make non-sensical assertions such as: > because > > they can hear tweety birds in their backyard, the global extinction rate > cannot > > possibly be at 10,000 times the average background rate of extinction on this > > planet, because otherwise how could there still be tweety birds for our > > scientific observer to hear? > > Recent studies have estimated that there are around eukaryotic 8.7 million > > species on the planet -- and this is just the eukaryotic species (and then > there > > are many millions of additional species of Archaea, Bacteria and all those > > proto-alive viruses). How many of these species do you think you can see in > > your backyard? > > Does it begin to dawn in your head why I don't take you seriously at all? For, > > if you confuse such kind of anecdotal BS for science you are profoundly > ignorant > > of what science is, both in its ideal sense and even to quite an extent in its > > imperfect day to day practice. And when you mix your profound ignorance of > > science -- based on how you rely on laughably > non-scientific "surveys" as the > > rather flippant and non-thinking basis for -- in this particular case -- your > > assertion that the extinction rates cannot possibly be that high, because you > > have song birds in your backyard.... mix it in with your heartfelt vocation > > towards preaching your Tea Party screed... to anyone and everyone (as if you > > were a talking point conveyance mechanism) it begins to become rather > > unpleasant.... for me at least. > > Not everyone, spudboy, just you. > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> > > > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > > >>Yes indeed! And the acid rain is a-pouring down, and everyone's face is > > a-sizzlin and a-popin from the sulphur, and the Ozone hole is a-lettin in the > > gamma rays, and the BP oil spill has a-wiped out all the shrimp, and the > Germans > > is now a-making all their Mercedes with sunlight, and the oceans is a-risin, > and > > a makin me a-drown, here in Ohio, and the spotted owl is a knocking over > liquor > > stores cause we destroyed their natural habitat, now they're on food stamps! > You > > know, one time the little boy will cry wolf, and you will be right, but nobody > > will listen, because as an act of green faith, you have been pushing the > message > > once too often. Sir, I cannot partake of you Green Rites Church, but rest > > assured,I do read the literature. > > > > > > Are you a bible thumper? Certainly helps explain your gross ignorance of the > > scientific method. > > Chris > > -----Original Message-----From: Chris de Morsella > > <[email protected]>To: > everything-list > > <[email protected]>Sent: 11-Mar-2014 17:10:21 > > +0000Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > >>I hopefully, wouldn't think that there's a tea party or libertarian view of > > science. The libertarians, unless I am wrong, are 100% pro-science, many > > atheists, and all that. Your 10000 extinction rate claim appears specious, > > because if this was the case, not a tweet bird wouldn't exist, nor we be doing > > the Everything List two-step. > > > > > > Precisely -- that is YOUR GUESS. You are basically admitting that you are too > > lazy to do the research and investigate the available public domain > information > > and data that exists, and that has been compiled for over a hundred and fifty > > years or more with increasing accuracy and quantity of data over time. You > > demonstrate a total lack of understanding of just how many species of life > exist > > on this planet -- hint it is far greater than the census of song birds in your > > back yard. > > What you just admit you did -- to form your opinion -- is not science, but a > > shallow anecdotal impression your Tea Party addled brain feels comfortable > with. > > Your opinion is worthless. And so is mine. Fortunately there is a vast body of > > field data, of biological censuses taken over time. The figure of 100,000 > times > > the background rate of extinction is derived from this body > of existing data; It > > is also rather more rigorous than your anecdotal "certainty". > > Do you really wish to continue making an idiot of yourself? > > > > > > >>My guess is that whatever the human species is doing it is killing off lots > >>of > > fauna and plants, especially in the hungry countries that want their people to > > live better, materially. Having said that, it isn't 10000 times etc. If the > > > greens were sane, and I submit they are all limbic, > > > > More of your bovine (unsupported anecdotal) opinions.... it must be very > > self-affirming to live in this fact free world; where beliefs become reality > by > > being fervently believed. > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving > emails > > from it, send an email to > > [email protected] post to this group, > > send email to [email protected] this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.For more options, visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving > emails > > from it, send an email to > > [email protected] post to this group, > > send email to [email protected] this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.For more options, visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email > > to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and > stop receiving emails from it, send an email > > to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email > > to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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