At some point, Pierz, one has to use one's senses. This is part or the scientific endeavor as well. Observe, record, and measure, hopefully in common units, milibars, meters, kilograms, parsecs. But one must observe and try to make sense of things. Just as the oil companies say no, no, no, we pollute nothing, the environmentalists push for a common goal as well. One is driven by greed to lie, the other by a hunger for power-to save the world. Of the two sets of bastards, I have learned to mistrust the environmentalist even more so than the petro kings.
On another note, I think you have probably heard of the physical anthropological papers indicating that the paleo-south americans, did an excellent job of sustaining the rain forests, by simply doing what was in their interests. Damming streams using logs and boulders, and mud, removing natural dams in the uplands by digging using tree branches, crude shovels, their hands. Remember Paul Ehrlich the population biologist who wrote The Population Bomb, and made dramatic extinction scenarios? His scenarios seem to be stimulus-response in their inception/purpose. Get the lemmings to jump to the tune of government control (by the ideologically correct party), because we don't want the world do die, do we? Stimulus-response. If even simple peoples can save the rainforest for their own harvestings, which they did, then a motorized culture like our own can do even better, given the technology and the incentive. We don't see, round the world, nations elites, for their own self-interests, demanding setting up artificial reefs and dams to block incoming sea. We don't see a rush to make clean power a priority, and there's no sense of panic with the worlds elites, and the politicians they fund, to do anything like this at all. The billionaires in China, Russia, the US, Europe, everywhere are not behaving as they were trying to save their asses, and assets. They are real good at doing this, far better than we posters on this mailing group. I am more interested in generating workable ideas on what to do for species extinction, energy, AGW, then arguing about faulty green ideology. So, lets go with the Green ideology that its doom city today, now what do we do? This is where its gets interesting, because the emails then become about technical problem solving and not dictatorship-plutocracy worship. WHA?? You "think that"? Based on what analysis? I imagine that you, like me, live in a metropolis where in the course of a day you are exposed to about three or four animal species: humans, your cat, and the sparrow that just flew past your window. So you look out your window and go, "Oh business as usual! Cats aren't extinct yet! Extinction rate looks pretty normal to me." But consider the Amazon, where there are many thousands of species of organism living in every tree. -----Original Message----- From: Pierz <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 3:41 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:55:41 AM UTC+11, [email protected] wrote: I think that if extinction rates was 10k, you would already see silent spring round the globe. WHA?? You "think that"? Based on what analysis? I imagine that you, like me, live in a metropolis where in the course of a day you are exposed to about three or four animal species: humans, your cat, and the sparrow that just flew past your window. So you look out your window and go, "Oh business as usual! Cats aren't extinct yet! Extinction rate looks pretty normal to me." But consider the Amazon, where there are many thousands of species of organism living in every tree. The Amazon was deforested in the early 2000s at a rate of 22,000 square kms a year. You may not have noticed the species extinctions from your office. But of course, you should "trust your eyes", not the alarmist proclamations of those evil greenies. Then consider that the global extinction rate is about 0.01% per annum (according to WWF, bunch of power-hungry communists that they are). If the number of species on the planet is at the upper end of estimates, then that means about 10,000 species a year are going extinct. That's about 10,000 times the background rate. The lower estimate puts it at about 1000x the background rate. And you're surprised by that? Done any travelling lately? The world is a parking lot. I saw the Astrolabe Reef in Fiji in the 80s when I was 14, and it was the most beautiful, spectacular, abundant thing I've ever seen. I saw it again two years ago and the change defied belief. People were swimming about going ooh aah, but they had no idea what it had been before. It was a paradise. I don't need to be told by an expert that bioversity is under massive threat. It's plain as day the moment I leave my little human monoculture. And then you come up with a line about 'dur fuhrer' (sic), comparing environmentalists to fascists. WTF? I'm not sure what planet you're living on, but wherever you are, you're fast asleep. It smells of alarmism, to get people to march to the fearless leaders tune. Its like the Marx brothers joke: who are you going to believe, you own two eyes or me! The academics, I suspect, are doing their hockey stick lie again, so things can roll their way with jobs for life, lots of cash from dur fuhrer, and appointments to jobs in the EPA, and such. Theres an inconsistency with the dire observations predicted, and the public policy resonse of the ruling class. To me, this is a tip off that fibs are being told and exaggerations sold. But fear not, I am a mere particle in the sandstorm of history. -----Original Message----- From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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