On 19 Mar 2014, at 16:32, Edgar L. Owen wrote:

Bruno,

Well I'm using loose language to make it easier to understand. Actually it is the information itself that represents what are then interpreted by humans and science as matter states....

OK, but then that information flows around, unless you extract it from indexicals, like in the FPI, on the iterated WM-duplication, or in arithmetic. In the step 3, the guy reconstituted in W get one bit of (Shannon) information, like the guy in M, and this without any 3p "creation of information".



My point being that the information forms that manifest as matter states in human internal mental models of reality don't continually reproduce themselves to produce more of what is interpreted as matter states, so how does Brent think all the additional information of all actual prior matter states are stored, if not in the information of current matter states?

That's more precise but not sure if it's clearer...


Not sure it is more precise either. Sorry.

Bruno




Edgar



On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:24:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 19 Mar 2014, at 12:54, Edgar L. Owen wrote:

Presumably you do agree that information can't just float around somehow without actually being encoded in actual matter states?

This contradicts your statement that the physical arises from the computational.
But you have not yet define what you mean by computational.

Bruno



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