I am very ok with a transition, I believe we have the time. But I maintain that we won't get there with controlling people, but we can with innovations in technology. What I oppose is using AGW as an excuse to rule the serfs. Here's a break down from The Guardian, which you may guess is not my kind of paper, but it gives up with the notion of redistributed wealth worldwide and so forth. Conclusion: civilizational collapse is inevitable.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists I disagree with this forecast. Color me anti-scientific. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Mazer <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:23 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:55 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the lights, take a bike. Are you suggesting that we continue to burn filthy coal, or horrible uranium, while we try to goose up solar and wind to replace it?!! Why that will take decades and the catastrophe is already upon us. The heating of the atmosphere and the degradation of the lands and seas, cannot wait (your guys tell us). No, nobody says it "cannot wait" and therefore we have to shut off all fossil fuel based power now, what some people say "cannot wait" is adopting some long-term plan that will transition away from fossil fuel gradually over several decades. I'm sure virtually all those concerned about global warming would be happy if we adopted any one of a number of plans which would end with a transition to majority-renewables by 2050, such as the ones below: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421508004072 (the "solar grand plan" I mentioned to you earlier which is summarized at http://web.chem.ucsb.edu/~feldwinn/greenworks/Readings/solar_grand_plan.pdf ) http://www.nrel.gov/analysis/re_futures/ (articles summarizing this one at http://blogs.denverpost.com/thebalancesheet/2012/07/09/renewable-energy/5430/ and http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428284/the-us-could-run-on-80-percent-renewable-electricity-by-2050/ ) http://news.stanford.edu/news/2009/october19/jacobson-energy-study-102009.html and http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/february/fifty-states-renewables-022414.html (other articles discussing this plan at http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2013/07/30/charting-the-course-to-a-100-percent-renewable-energy-future/ and http://theenergycollective.com/hermantrabish/352551/another-blueprint-100-percent-renewables-mid-century and a Scientific American summary by the authors at http://books.google.com/books?id=pGfQmBtXYx0C&lpg=PP1&pg=PT11) http://www.udel.edu/V2G/resources/BudischakEtAl-2013-CostMinimizedWindSolarPJM.pdf (discussed at http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/how-about-99.9-percent-renewables ) Or what are they really saying, put into motion in real life? It comes down to a culture of complaint from the green-reds, rather than actual workable solutions. I want technical solutions, but then, I am in the minority By "technical solutions" do you just mean technical plans laying out in detail how the transition to a renewable-dominated power grid would work, and how much it would cost? If so, see above. On the other hand, maybe you mean "I'm waiting for some technological breakthrough that will make renewable energy so cost-effective that the free market will rush to abandon fossil fuels without the government having to lift a finger, until then we should do nothing to cut back on emissions even if it would be economically feasible." In that case, no that hasn't happened, but at least the plans above show that fearmongering about how trying to curb emissions would destroy the economy don't have any basis in fact. Jesse -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
