On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > > On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4 April 2014 15:59, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I suggest we study and evaluate it for its literal merit, rather than >>>> 'what it might mean' thus removing all constructs and myths surrounding it. >>>> Dr. Maurice Bucaille did something similar when he examined the scriptures >>>> in the light of scientific knowledge. Online translation: >>>> >>>> https://ia700504.us.archive.org/18/items/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille.pdf >>>> >>>> >>> >>> To be fair, you have to allow that if there is a scientific inaccuracy >>> in a holy book which is considered the word of God then, unless God got the >>> science wrong, that would be evidence against the holy book being the word >>> of God. The problem is that even if a believer says they are open-minded in >>> this way they don't really mean it because that would be an admission that >>> they are willing to test God, which is contrary to faith and therefore bad. >>> >> >> What are you called if you are willing to test god? >> A believer? >> > > Rational. > > > Yes. And as long the test does not contradict his theory, he can develop a > rational belief, which is basically a positive attitude about some > assumption. > > In the case of "God", there is one more difficulty, which is the > difficulty to agree on some non trivial definition which should be precise > enough to make a test meaningful and interesting. > > With some definition, God can also been disproved, or proved, in > mathematical theories. Gödel's formalization of St-Anselmus' notion of God > makes its existence provable in the modal logic S5 (the Leibnizian theory). > > About Bucaille I will take a second look, but from I read quickly, it > seems to me to take for granted Aristotle's God (the "creation", the > universe), and well, I have some doubt. It is very hard to interpret such > texts. It is too much "easy" to reinterpret favorably some paragraph, and > for a neoplatonist, this would mean that the author of the sacred text did > just have some insight/intuition, which for a neoplatonist is always > divine. In that case, both the existence of the work of ramanujan, but also > the existence of arithmetic in high school are evidence for "some" God. > "Alice in Wonderland" too. > Why Alice in Wonderland? > > I am uneasy with a priori sacralization of books, as it looks to me like > an encouragement to authoritative arguments. Any one is free to feel some > text divine, but to put "divine" on the front looks close to blasphemous to > me (doubly so when true). > > Bruno > > > > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
