2014-04-04 19:05 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>: > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 April 2014 15:59, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I suggest we study and evaluate it for its literal merit, rather than >>>>> 'what it might mean' thus removing all constructs and myths surrounding >>>>> it. >>>>> Dr. Maurice Bucaille did something similar when he examined the scriptures >>>>> in the light of scientific knowledge. Online translation: >>>>> >>>>> https://ia700504.us.archive.org/18/items/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille.pdf >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> To be fair, you have to allow that if there is a scientific inaccuracy >>>> in a holy book which is considered the word of God then, unless God got the >>>> science wrong, that would be evidence against the holy book being the word >>>> of God. The problem is that even if a believer says they are open-minded in >>>> this way they don't really mean it because that would be an admission that >>>> they are willing to test God, which is contrary to faith and therefore bad. >>>> >>> >>> What are you called if you are willing to test god? >>> A believer? >>> >> >> Rational. >> >> >> Yes. And as long the test does not contradict his theory, he can develop >> a rational belief, which is basically a positive attitude about some >> assumption. >> >> In the case of "God", there is one more difficulty, which is the >> difficulty to agree on some non trivial definition which should be precise >> enough to make a test meaningful and interesting. >> >> With some definition, God can also been disproved, or proved, in >> mathematical theories. Gödel's formalization of St-Anselmus' notion of God >> makes its existence provable in the modal logic S5 (the Leibnizian theory). >> >> About Bucaille I will take a second look, but from I read quickly, it >> seems to me to take for granted Aristotle's God (the "creation", the >> universe), and well, I have some doubt. It is very hard to interpret such >> texts. It is too much "easy" to reinterpret favorably some paragraph, and >> for a neoplatonist, this would mean that the author of the sacred text did >> just have some insight/intuition, which for a neoplatonist is always >> divine. In that case, both the existence of the work of ramanujan, but also >> the existence of arithmetic in high school are evidence for "some" God. >> "Alice in Wonderland" too. >> > > Why Alice in Wonderland? >
To know that, you have to follow the white rabbit. > > >> >> I am uneasy with a priori sacralization of books, as it looks to me like >> an encouragement to authoritative arguments. Any one is free to feel some >> text divine, but to put "divine" on the front looks close to blasphemous to >> me (doubly so when true). >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Stathis Papaioannou >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
