Bruno, Is French your first language? If so, you can download the original French book by Dr Maurice Bucaille from the following link: http://www.islamic-invitation.com/downloads/Bible-Quran-Science_fr.pdf This study was made many years ago. If this inspires you, perhaps you can give a fresh look at the scripture with modern scientific knowledge. I'm sure that would explain many more verses in terms we can comprehend in this day and age. Regards, Samiya
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 04 Apr 2014, at 19:05, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 April 2014 15:59, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I suggest we study and evaluate it for its literal merit, rather than >>>>> 'what it might mean' thus removing all constructs and myths surrounding >>>>> it. >>>>> Dr. Maurice Bucaille did something similar when he examined the scriptures >>>>> in the light of scientific knowledge. Online translation: >>>>> >>>>> https://ia700504.us.archive.org/18/items/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille.pdf >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> To be fair, you have to allow that if there is a scientific inaccuracy >>>> in a holy book which is considered the word of God then, unless God got the >>>> science wrong, that would be evidence against the holy book being the word >>>> of God. The problem is that even if a believer says they are open-minded in >>>> this way they don't really mean it because that would be an admission that >>>> they are willing to test God, which is contrary to faith and therefore bad. >>>> >>> >>> What are you called if you are willing to test god? >>> A believer? >>> >> >> Rational. >> >> >> Yes. And as long the test does not contradict his theory, he can develop >> a rational belief, which is basically a positive attitude about some >> assumption. >> >> In the case of "God", there is one more difficulty, which is the >> difficulty to agree on some non trivial definition which should be precise >> enough to make a test meaningful and interesting. >> >> With some definition, God can also been disproved, or proved, in >> mathematical theories. Gödel's formalization of St-Anselmus' notion of God >> makes its existence provable in the modal logic S5 (the Leibnizian theory). >> >> About Bucaille I will take a second look, but from I read quickly, it >> seems to me to take for granted Aristotle's God (the "creation", the >> universe), and well, I have some doubt. It is very hard to interpret such >> texts. It is too much "easy" to reinterpret favorably some paragraph, and >> for a neoplatonist, this would mean that the author of the sacred text did >> just have some insight/intuition, which for a neoplatonist is always >> divine. In that case, both the existence of the work of ramanujan, but also >> the existence of arithmetic in high school are evidence for "some" God. >> "Alice in Wonderland" too. >> > > Why Alice in Wonderland? > > > You might read "the annotated Alice" by Martin Gardner. Lewis Carroll > "perturbed" classical logic, and found everything: relativity, the quantum, > Gödel, .... He is better than Plotinus. Unfortunately, he was completely > rejected by Charles Ludwig Dodgson, who was quite reactionary---an aspect > made quasi explicit in his longer "Sylvie & Bruno". Is Mr Dodgson equal to > Lewis Carroll? > The rabbit hole in Wonderland is very deep. > For example, it illustrates the hardness to reason with a relativist > nitpicker. > From memory: > > Alice: I explore the garden ... > The queen: Oh! you can call that a garden, if you want, but I know garden > in comparison with which this one is more like a desert. > Alice: ... and want to see that hill. > The queen: Oh! you can call that a hill, if you want, but I know hills in > comparison with which this one is more like a valley. > Alice: That is not possible, a hill cannot be a valley, that would be a > nonsense! > The queen: Oh, you can call that a nonsense, if you want, but I know > nonsense in comparison with which this one is as meaningful than a > dictionary! > > :) > > Bruno > > > > > >> >> I am uneasy with a priori sacralization of books, as it looks to me like >> an encouragement to authoritative arguments. Any one is free to feel some >> text divine, but to put "divine" on the front looks close to blasphemous to >> me (doubly so when true). >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Stathis Papaioannou >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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