On 4/8/2014 2:46 PM, chris peck wrote:
>>Not at all. Have you read the peer reviewed papers that the IPCC cites? I've read a
lot of them.
Why have you felt the need to read them?
To see if various denier criticisms were valid.
You were just arguing that congressmen, people who unlike yourself are in a position to
take or prevent action, did not need to.
I argued that most congressmen wouldn't be able to read them (since very few are
scientists of any kind, much less climate scientists).
But you were arguing that the opinion of experts meant nothing (unless they disagree) -
and so it would follow that...what? You admitted that reading their papers would be no
different than just accepting their opinion about what the paper showed. So what does
"mean something"? Are you going to repeat their analysis yourself? Do the observations
yourself? Or are you content that 3% disagreeing proves there's no problem?
Brent
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 10:13:44 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: If you can't disprove the science, you can always try suing
On 4/8/2014 4:44 AM, chris peck wrote:
>> Oh, when it suits your prejudice it's OK to just count votes. You
suddenly no
longer need to read the papers and decide for yourself.
Eh? Why the sour face? I thought you'ld be cracking open the champagne.
There's no
consensus. I give you perhaps the best news in history, ever, and you're
just sour
about it! You're not suggesting we ought to read about the science and
think for
ourselves are you?! What a drag!
Not at all. Have you read the peer reviewed papers that the IPCC cites? I've read a
lot of them.
Seriously though, how come this 97% figure is presented by climate change
acceptors
as a consensus about the catastrophic effect global warming will have when
it isn't
one?
Show me a quote where is it presented that way. The actual statement is 97% of climate
scientists believe that the Earth is getting hotter and it's due to burning fossil fuel.
Do they even know that the figure represents just those scientist who agree
climate
change is happening? Do they know it doesn't reflect the amount of
scientists who
think the change is caused by humans? They certainly don't know that less
than 50%
of scientists think the effect of warming would be catastrophic otherwise
that
figure would enter into their discourse, or would it? I suspect the
temptation to
keep a bit silent about what a shocking figure like 97% really represents is
overwhelming. A little white lie and so on, an economy with the truth etc.
No one has said it would be catastrophic, as in threaten extinction of humans. They
have said it will be very economically and socially disruptive and produce major changes
in agriculture and in natural food and water sources.
In actual fact I think all these figures are bullshit. Listening to what the
scientists actually have to say is exactly what people should do, even
congressmen,
rather than close ones ears to everything except easily digestible and
neatly
misrepresentable figures.
So why don't you listen?
Brent
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