Dear Alberto, Cost is always an issue. It cannot be avoided (contra the belief of magical thinkers) but it can be minimized by increasing the efficiency of systems.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]>wrote: > Stephen > > hehehe. Ok I will not. > > Reality can fight alone and will win inevitably against the ones that > deny it. > > The problem is the price to pay in the process > > > 2014-04-10 18:38 GMT+02:00 Stephen Paul King <[email protected]>: > > Alberto, >> >> Don't feed the trolls... >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Alberto G. Corona >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Chris and Guitar, you are funny. Do you believe that these mere insults >>> andd ad-hominem straw man etc, have any effect across internet except to >>> laugh at you? >>> >>> The time of the police state enforcer of ideológicall uniformity has >>> gone since 1995. Oh wait.... I know why you may need another one... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-04-10 18:02 GMT+02:00 Richard Ruquist <[email protected]>: >>> >>> The Swiss where many, very many as I understand it, young men are >>>> bisexual, seems to argue to the contrary... Seems they found out that sex >>>> is sex and for a man to love it must be based on sex. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Alberto G. Corona < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> By the way, because it seems that you are interested, rejection of >>>>> gays by men will never ever change. There are compelling evolitionary >>>>> reasons. If any, the current promotion of "gay rights" will exacerbate >>>>> true >>>>> homophoby in the medium- long term. In the same way that feminism is >>>>> increasing the violence against women. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-04-10 16:59 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> sex orientation can not be changed, neither a matrimony can be other >>>>>> than a man and a woman, neither climate can be changed by little ants >>>>>> like >>>>>> us, neither internationalism can be a genuine feeling, neither >>>>>> supranational identities can be fabricated, neither woman can live >>>>>> without >>>>>> depending on ideas and societies essentially made by men. Neither >>>>>> abortion >>>>>> can be promoted without immense pain in women for the assassination of >>>>>> his child. >>>>>> >>>>>> But that does not mean that a bunch of autonsanctified international >>>>>> delinquents can not make a living from idiots that believe in the idea >>>>>> that >>>>>> "things are gonna change" "another world is possible" and "a catastrophe >>>>>> is >>>>>> coming and we will not survive if the world do not do X" where X is >>>>>> invariably something very painful that demand a lot of concentrated power >>>>>> in a central elite. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In the same way that 80 years of mass killings demonstrated that an >>>>>> economy can not be centrally planified, we are gonna suffer another cycle >>>>>> of wrong ideas thanks to the new generation of idiots and their shepherds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-04-10 12:51 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read Corona's post carefully. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did, and I find his general ideas interesting and worth >>>>>>> considering. I don't quire agree that space exploration cannot compete >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> religion. When I was growing up, I was forced to go to catholic sunday >>>>>>> school, and at the same time I was obsessed with space exploration. The >>>>>>> former just bore me to tears, while the second gave me feelings of human >>>>>>> transcendence. This video still works better for me than all of the >>>>>>> religious attempts at showing the divine: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnoNITE-CLc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is sad that we are currently regressing in many ways. We lost the >>>>>>> ability to do what that video shows, when we should be doing even more >>>>>>> amazing things, and eventually starting colonising other worlds. We are >>>>>>> also regressing in social ways, with the return of police states in the >>>>>>> west and so on. I don't think that's a coincidence. I hope it's a bump >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the road. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the other hand, we expanded inwards with the Internet. I believe >>>>>>> we still just saw the beginning of the transformative power of the >>>>>>> Internet >>>>>>> and the things it will enable. The ones in power sense this too, and >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> are fighting it. At the moment we seem to be heading in the direction of >>>>>>> some cyberpunk dystopia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But back to the gay issue. If the assumption is that "gay promotion" >>>>>>> is part of a strategy to reduce the population, then that's just silly. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> anything, allowing gays to marry and be parents and adopt is only >>>>>>> increasing the carrying capacity of our environment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Telmo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Telmo Menezes < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Stephen Paul King < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Telmo, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It isn't moralism if it has a measure that can be objectively >>>>>>>>>> defined. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Stephan, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Could you tell me what measure you are referring to? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Telmo Menezes < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Alberto G. Corona < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 April 2014 15:47, Stephen Paul King < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Liz, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is there no interest in developing tech to get us off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the planet? Why is there a retreat into a bunker mentality? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason why the UN promotes Global Warming+ abortion+ >>>>>>>>>>>> feminism+ Gay promotion instead of international collaboration >>>>>>>>>>>> for space >>>>>>>>>>>> exploration and expansion has some reasons: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Come on man, you say interesting things but then you get stuck >>>>>>>>>>> in weird religious moralism. What does "gay promotion" even mean? >>>>>>>>>>> People >>>>>>>>>>> can't change their sexual orientation. It's not like you can make >>>>>>>>>>> some ads >>>>>>>>>>> or have celebrity endorsements and the kids will be all "ohh cool, >>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>> going to be gay!". I think what's happening here is that we are >>>>>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>>>>> getting rid of gay repression. There's not going to be a different >>>>>>>>>>> percentage of gay people one way or the other, just less people >>>>>>>>>>> leading >>>>>>>>>>> miserable lives for no good reason. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> first: any menace related with resources and population is >>>>>>>>>>>> easier to sell I will not name Hitler, but they are instinctive >>>>>>>>>>>> concerns >>>>>>>>>>>> since we were stone age hunter gatherers. The hunter gatherers >>>>>>>>>>>> were after >>>>>>>>>>>> wild animals and wild plants. They did not produced animals and >>>>>>>>>>>> plants as >>>>>>>>>>>> we produce now. So their primitive mind of "limited resources" is >>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>> modern man, despite our hability to reproduce and substitute >>>>>>>>>>>> resources with >>>>>>>>>>>> our knowledge. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 30.000 years ago, my province was inhabited with 3000 people >>>>>>>>>>>> that depleted complely the resources and had to move to another >>>>>>>>>>>> place every >>>>>>>>>>>> year. Now we are 3.000.000 in the same area, mostly unhabited >>>>>>>>>>>> still. An yet >>>>>>>>>>>> we live better, there are probably more wild animals and more >>>>>>>>>>>> forest. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But still there are stone-age minded people that ate human >>>>>>>>>>>> beings and "want to save the planet". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> second: space exploration can not qualify for a religion, at >>>>>>>>>>>> least, not as a totalitarian religion. The Cult to the earth and >>>>>>>>>>>> human >>>>>>>>>>>> sacrifices will ever qualify since it is the most primitive >>>>>>>>>>>> religion. >>>>>>>>>>>> Leaders want commited people and this inevitably demand >>>>>>>>>>>> sacrifices, due to >>>>>>>>>>>> the nature of beings with incomplete information. 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