On 11 April 2014 13:08, Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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>  *From:* LizR <lizj...@gmail.com>
> *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:43 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Climate models
>
> On 11 April 2014 11:41, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> neither climate can be changed by little ants like us,
>
> Of course it can. We have nuclear weapons.
>
> We have already done so, using little more than cars, planes, ships,
> trains and power stations.
>
> In fact we have already done so using nothing more than muscle power. Look
> at how many areas -- including the fertile crescent -- have been
> desertified by human presence. We probably began affecting climate when we
> discovered fire and began large scale burns to clear brush and move game
> animals towards hunters, by increasing the area of grasslands. One should
> not forget that the salt pan deserts of southern Iraq were once the
> blooming agricultural heartland of ancient Sumeria. And that northern Iraq
> and much of the entire region was covered by ancient cedar forests.
> Humans have been altering the face of the earth on a large scale since at
> least as far back as the beginning of agriculture and I suspect even much
> earlier than that when we learned to control fire and began to use it to
> shape our environment.
>
> Yes, it's quite possible that agriculture has changed the climate. I don't
know if any studies have been done on this. It's somewhat more obvious with
industry, which has raised atmospheric CO2 something like 50% in 3
centuries.

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