On 10 Apr 2014, at 19:09, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/10/2014 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:51, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]
> wrote:
Read Corona's post carefully.
I did, and I find his general ideas interesting and worth
considering. I don't quire agree that space exploration cannot
compete with religion. When I was growing up, I was forced to go
to catholic sunday school, and at the same time I was obsessed
with space exploration. The former just bore me to tears, while
the second gave me feelings of human transcendence. This video
still works better for me than all of the religious attempts at
showing the divine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnoNITE-CLc
It is sad that we are currently regressing in many ways. We lost
the ability to do what that video shows,
Not everyone, apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qzOzjRJpaU
when we should be doing even more amazing things, and eventually
starting colonising other worlds. We are also regressing in social
ways, with the return of police states in the west and so on. I
don't think that's a coincidence. I hope it's a bump in the road.
The road is made of bumps. Things are not simple, and science is
not yet born. On the fundamental, many people either believe in
fairy tales, or confuse a scientific domain with theology, or
eliminate the person.
On the other hand, we expanded inwards with the Internet. I
believe we still just saw the beginning of the transformative
power of the Internet and the things it will enable. The ones in
power sense this too, and they are fighting it. At the moment we
seem to be heading in the direction of some cyberpunk dystopia.
It is the continuation of evolution and its exponential speeding
up. 99.9% of humanity will leaves this planet in the next
millennia, and we can hope Earth will remain some carbon museum. I
mean in the "normal" future.
I hope you don't mean "leave" as a euphemism for "die". I think it
very doubtful that humans will colonize another planet, much less
immigrate wholesale. The nearest earth-like planet is going to be
thousands of years away. It might be possible to establish a small
research outpost on Mars and the Moon - but they're a lot more
hostile than Antarctica and we'd have a hard time establishing a
self-sufficient colony there.
A king of china decide to put a large rug on the whole land to protect
the feet of the subjects, but someone told him it would be more
economical to cut small pieces of it and attach them under the feet of
the subjects.
I don't believe either in terra formation, nor even in planet
colonisation, but *in the milennia* the computationalist will get
quite different bodies, and lives in cyberspaces, mostly, and no
"body" will leave the planet, only the souls or first person handled
by I don't which quantum-micro-bacterial in fashion at that time. Even
the receptors we will send will get close to light speed, and our mean
of locomotion will be radio waves, laser, etc.
We will learn the terrestrial lesson, and not try to adapt the
universe to us, but us to the universe, and beyond.
I think our aspirations should be (1) live sustainably on this planet
I totally agree with this. If not, the program above might abort
prematurely.
and (2) create new race of beings, smarter and better than us, to
explore the universe.
This is what we do since the beginnings. We are them. The distinction
between artificial and natural is artificial.
But back to the gay issue. If the assumption is that "gay
promotion" is part of a strategy to reduce the population, then
that's just silly.
That is hardly convincing, given the number of evidences that
politicians can be silly.
If anything, allowing gays to marry and be parents and adopt is
only increasing the carrying capacity of our environment.
I don't see how it affects our environment. It just moves parental
responsibility around.
You comment Telmo here.
Adult people can do what they want, as long as they follow the mutual
consent rule.
Although I do think that children should get enough feminine presence,
around them when very young. A nurse at least, or if possible the
biological mother.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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