On 4/10/2014 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:51, Telmo Menezes wrote:




On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com <mailto:stephe...@provensecure.com>> wrote:

    Read Corona's post carefully.


I did, and I find his general ideas interesting and worth considering. I don't quire agree that space exploration cannot compete with religion. When I was growing up, I was forced to go to catholic sunday school, and at the same time I was obsessed with space exploration. The former just bore me to tears, while the second gave me feelings of human transcendence. This video still works better for me than all of the religious attempts at showing the divine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnoNITE-CLc

It is sad that we are currently regressing in many ways. We lost the ability to do what that video shows,


Not everyone, apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qzOzjRJpaU



when we should be doing even more amazing things, and eventually starting colonising other worlds. We are also regressing in social ways, with the return of police states in the west and so on. I don't think that's a coincidence. I hope it's a bump in the road.

The road is made of bumps. Things are not simple, and science is not yet born. On the fundamental, many people either believe in fairy tales, or confuse a scientific domain with theology, or eliminate the person.





On the other hand, we expanded inwards with the Internet. I believe we still just saw the beginning of the transformative power of the Internet and the things it will enable. The ones in power sense this too, and they are fighting it. At the moment we seem to be heading in the direction of some cyberpunk dystopia.

It is the continuation of evolution and its exponential speeding up. 99.9% of humanity will leaves this planet in the next millennia, and we can hope Earth will remain some carbon museum. I mean in the "normal" future.


I hope you don't mean "leave" as a euphemism for "die". I think it very doubtful that humans will colonize another planet, much less immigrate wholesale. The nearest earth-like planet is going to be thousands of years away. It might be possible to establish a small research outpost on Mars and the Moon - but they're a lot more hostile than Antarctica and we'd have a hard time establishing a self-sufficient colony there.

I think our aspirations should be (1) live sustainably on this planet and (2) create new race of beings, smarter and better than us, to explore the universe.




But back to the gay issue. If the assumption is that "gay promotion" is part of a strategy to reduce the population, then that's just silly.

That is hardly convincing, given the number of evidences that politicians can 
be silly.



If anything, allowing gays to marry and be parents and adopt is only increasing the carrying capacity of our environment.

I don't see how it affects our environment.  It just moves parental 
responsibility around.

Brent

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