On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:51, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com
> wrote:
Read Corona's post carefully.
I did, and I find his general ideas interesting and worth
considering. I don't quire agree that space exploration cannot
compete with religion. When I was growing up, I was forced to go to
catholic sunday school, and at the same time I was obsessed with
space exploration. The former just bore me to tears, while the
second gave me feelings of human transcendence. This video still
works better for me than all of the religious attempts at showing
the divine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnoNITE-CLc
It is sad that we are currently regressing in many ways. We lost the
ability to do what that video shows,
Not everyone, apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qzOzjRJpaU
when we should be doing even more amazing things, and eventually
starting colonising other worlds. We are also regressing in social
ways, with the return of police states in the west and so on. I
don't think that's a coincidence. I hope it's a bump in the road.
The road is made of bumps. Things are not simple, and science is not
yet born. On the fundamental, many people either believe in fairy
tales, or confuse a scientific domain with theology, or eliminate the
person.
On the other hand, we expanded inwards with the Internet. I believe
we still just saw the beginning of the transformative power of the
Internet and the things it will enable. The ones in power sense this
too, and they are fighting it. At the moment we seem to be heading
in the direction of some cyberpunk dystopia.
It is the continuation of evolution and its exponential speeding up.
99.9% of humanity will leaves this planet in the next millennia, and
we can hope Earth will remain some carbon museum. I mean in the
"normal" future.
But back to the gay issue. If the assumption is that "gay promotion"
is part of a strategy to reduce the population, then that's just
silly.
That is hardly convincing, given the number of evidences that
politicians can be silly.
If anything, allowing gays to marry and be parents and adopt is only
increasing the carrying capacity of our environment.
It might be, plausibly.
Bruno
Telmo.
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Telmo Menezes
<te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com
> wrote:
Dear Telmo,
It isn't moralism if it has a measure that can be objectively
defined.
Hi Stephan,
Could you tell me what measure you are referring to?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Telmo Menezes
<te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Alberto G. Corona
<agocor...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 April 2014 15:47, Stephen Paul King
<stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote:
Hi Liz,
Why is there no interest in developing tech to get us off the
planet? Why is there a retreat into a bunker mentality?
The reason why the UN promotes Global Warming+ abortion+ feminism+
Gay promotion instead of international collaboration for space
exploration and expansion has some reasons:
Come on man, you say interesting things but then you get stuck in
weird religious moralism. What does "gay promotion" even mean?
People can't change their sexual orientation. It's not like you can
make some ads or have celebrity endorsements and the kids will be
all "ohh cool, I'm going to be gay!". I think what's happening here
is that we are finally getting rid of gay repression. There's not
going to be a different percentage of gay people one way or the
other, just less people leading miserable lives for no good reason.
first: any menace related with resources and population is easier
to sell I will not name Hitler, but they are instinctive concerns
since we were stone age hunter gatherers. The hunter gatherers were
after wild animals and wild plants. They did not produced animals
and plants as we produce now. So their primitive mind of "limited
resources" is in the modern man, despite our hability to reproduce
and substitute resources with our knowledge.
30.000 years ago, my province was inhabited with 3000 people that
depleted complely the resources and had to move to another place
every year. Now we are 3.000.000 in the same area, mostly unhabited
still. An yet we live better, there are probably more wild animals
and more forest.
But still there are stone-age minded people that ate human beings
and "want to save the planet".
second: space exploration can not qualify for a religion, at least,
not as a totalitarian religion. The Cult to the earth and human
sacrifices will ever qualify since it is the most primitive
religion. Leaders want commited people and this inevitably demand
sacrifices, due to the nature of beings with incomplete information.
I explained it in this thread as well as others in this group.
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