On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>wrote:

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> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:12 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> On 4/14/2014 4:51 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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>>> 3) You assume that going against your simple reproductive program will
>>> cause suffering
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>>> This is a weird assumption. Consider this: you cannot decide to stop
>>> breathing. Your brain literally won't let you. So evolution did not select
>>> breathing to be an optional behaviour. But it did select breading to be an
>>> optional behaviour. Otherwise there would be a whole lot more rape, just
>>> like in most of the animal kingdom.
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>> You are right of course that the human evolutionary 'program' is
>> different from that of almost all mammmals.  But if it were like other
>> mammmals there wouldn't be more rape.  There is seldom rape among mammals
>> because the female becomes receptive when she ovulates and readily accepts
>> males and otherwise she is not sexually attractive to the males.  Humans
>> and bonobos are unusual among mammals in that females are sexually
>> receptive even when not ovulating.  This is probably an evolutionary
>> adaptation to achieve couple bonding which is useful in raising a child
>> that takes many years to become self-sufficient.  I recommend the book by
>> Jared Diamond "Why is Sex Fun?".
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> You are right, of course. I got too carried away in that hyperbole.
> Added your recommendation to my reading list.
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> Bonobos are very interesting, I've read before about how they display many
> of the sexual behaviours that are considered "unnatural" or "deviant" by
> our religious friends.
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That's why we keep 'em out of zoos. Protect the children from these deviant
freaks of nature unholy! :-) PGC


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> Thanks
> Telmo.
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>> Brent
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>>  Why was optional breading selected? We can speculate. It is quite
>>> obvious that the "niche" that humans explore is superior adaptation. We are
>>> not particularly strong nor particularly resilient, nor can we run
>>> particularly fast. But we can adapt very quickly to a wide range of
>>> circumstances. At some point there was a choice between
>>> optional/non-optional in reproduction. Optional won. You ignore this.
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