I'm deeply conflicted. On one had I want the illusion but i also want to act in accordance with the truth. My reason for my self interest lies in my subjective expectation that I aill experience being my future self. I cant have the basis of all my actions be a lie. so much cognitive dissonance
On Thursday, May 15, 2014, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 15 May 2014 13:43, Dennis Ochei > <[email protected]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > > wrote: > >> You can still care if you die normally but something like the swampman >> thought experiment is just as good as ordinary survival under Parfit's >> view, which a reductionist I feel is forced to accept. You care that you >> keep experiencing but there is no self to be found that persists. >> Destructive uploading or teletransportation preserve everything worth >> preserving. That you are what once was is purely an illusion. Naive closed >> individualism reveals itself as deeply flawed when subjected to thought >> experiments.Unless you subscribe to Kolak's view you can't redeem the idea >> that you are in any sense the same consciousness that you remember being > > > I have thought about this a lot over the years and have come to the > conclusion that it is an illusion that there is a self that persists over > time. Nevertheless, it is an important illusion for me and I make efforts > to ensure that the illusion continues. > > > >> On Wednesday, May 14, 2014, Stathis Papaioannou >> <[email protected]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15 May 2014 04:33, Dennis Ochei <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> But that's exactly the point. Consciousness, if construed as the >>>> container of conscious experience (or the surface upon which experience is >>>> written) has no principle of individuation--all conscious experiencers >>>> abstracted from their experience are identical. For this reason a >>>> consciousness swap is as meaningless as swapping the location of two >>>> electrons or shifting the universe 6 feet to the left. This is not at all >>>> the route Kolak takes to his conclusion, but suffices as a quick exposition >>>> of why one would entertain the position. In short, patterns (complex >>>> organisms) emerge in the universe that allow the universe to be conscious >>>> of itself. All consciousness is one part of the universe experiencing >>>> another part of itself as other. >>>> >>>> Course, one could also take the position that there is no experiencer >>>> independent of the experience. The experiencer and the experienced are >>>> one. In which case you are identical solely with yourself right this >>>> moment, and what will wake up in your bed tomorrow will not be you, but >>>> something that is merely like you in many ways. Under this view you now and >>>> you tomorrow are different persons. This is the view pushed by Parfit. >>>> >>> >>> I am sympathetic to Parfit's view, but it doesn't change the way I feel >>> about things. For example, to be consistent I shouldn't care if I die, >>> since I die anyway even if my tomorrow self seems to persist; however, I do >>> care if I die. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Stathis Papaioannou >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/S5Qi3Q_2TTI/unsubscribe >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to >> [email protected]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','everything-list%[email protected]');> >> . >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/S5Qi3Q_2TTI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','everything-list%[email protected]');> > . > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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