On 15 May 2014, at 06:51, Dennis Ochei wrote:
But then the identity relationship is no longer transitive...
Ypou mention Parfit, which put the identity on the person series, and
that makes it non transitive. Take the step 3 of the UDA, in the paper
I refer you too, and which is supposed to be sudtied on this list (I
explain this since many years).
We have that from the first person point of view, the guy in M and the
guy in W are the same guy as the original in Helsinki (say), yet they
are not the same guy after the duplication. There is no paradox. The
usual identity criterion is given by the personal memories and their
structured integration.
Suppose a brave officer to have been flogged when a boy at school,
for robbing an orchard, to have taken a standard from the enemy in
his first campaign, and to have been made a general in advanced
life: Suppose also, which must be admitted to be possible, that when
he took the standard, he was conscious of his having been flogged at
school, and that when made a general he was conscious of his taking
the standard, but had absolutely lost the consciousness of his
flogging.
These things being supposed, it follows, from Mr LOCKE'S
doctrine, that he who was flogged at school is the same person who
took the standard, and that he who took the standard is the same
person who was made a general. Whence it follows, if there be any
truth in logic, that the general is the same person with him who was
flogged at school. But the general's consciousness does not reach so
far back as his flogging, therefore, according to Mr LOCKE'S
doctrine, he is not the person who was flogged. There- fore the
general is, and at the same time is not the same person with him who
was flogged at a school.
No problem with this. It is the amnesia thought experiment, and it
shows that we are the same person, once we assume computationalism.
That is plausibly the universal person that the logic G and G* justify
to be a notion or person canonically attached to any (universal)
machine.
Bruno
On Wednesday, May 14, 2014, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
On 15 May 2014 15:43, Dennis Ochei <[email protected]> wrote:
You can still care if you die normally but something like the
swampman thought experiment is just as good as ordinary survival
under Parfit's view, which a reductionist I feel is forced to
accept. You care that you keep experiencing but there is no self to
be found that persists. Destructive uploading or teletransportation
preserve everything worth preserving. That you are what once was is
purely an illusion. Naive closed individualism reveals itself as
deeply flawed when subjected to thought experiments.Unless you
subscribe to Kolak's view you can't redeem the idea that you are in
any sense the same consciousness that you remember being
I don't know about "in any sense". If you identify yourself as your
current state of consciousness then undoubtedly you can't step into
the same river twice, but if you identify yourself with your
memories then there is some partial sameness between me now and
myself this morning that doesn't exist between me and anyone else.
(Of course, Leonard Shelby would probably disagree...)
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