On 21 May 2014, at 11:51, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

2014-05-21 11:08 GMT+02:00, LizR <[email protected]>:
On 21 May 2014 20:50, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote:


All these fanfarres and grandiloquent terms that sanctifies the
holiness of science are nothing but cavemen in search for something to
worship

In that case I'm happy to worship my well lit and heated house, my
washing
machine, dishwasher, oven, clothes, car, contraception, computer, and all the other things that have been discovered in the course of this search.


For sure.

And your smarphone and your car, with which you sometimes talk and
miss when you are away.

That is also part of the primitive animism.

However, the inventions and technology does not come form science it
is the other way: techniques created by artisans with intuition and
essay-error precedes science ever.

The wright brothers were bicycle artisans. Fulton was not a professor
of termodynamics. Their sciences did not exist at his time. was their
machines the ones that possibilitated the experiences and the
experiments.

Nassim Taleb talks a lot about it

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324735104578120953311383448

"Consider Britain, whose historic rise during the Industrial
Revolution came from tinkerers who gave us innovations like iron
making, the steam engine and textile manufacturing. The great names of
the golden years of English science were hobbyists, not academics:
Charles Darwin, Henry Cavendish, William Parsons, the Rev. Thomas
Bayes. Britain saw its decline when it switched to the model of
bureaucracy-driven science.

America has emulated this earlier model, in the invention of
everything from cybernetics to the pricing formulas for derivatives.
They were developed by practitioners in trial-and-error mode, drawing
continuous feedback from reality. To promote antifragility, we must
recognize that there is an inverse relationship between the amount of
formal education that a culture supports and its volume of
trial-and-error by tinkering. Innovation doesn't require theoretical
instruction, what I like to compare to "lecturing birds on how to
fly."

That mythical  inversion is, logically an ideological product of
rationalism that understand that there is nothing in the human mind
that gives truth with the exception of conscious rational rules, all
comes from outside in the form of rules created by special,
enlightened people.

So a bicycle artisan can never invent an airplane, a person can not
learn English without knowing grammar. no one can  play an instrument
without knowing the musical notation. And no one can learn a
discipline without interiorizing their academic, antipedagogical,
harsh manuals full of formulae, pedantic notations and formalisms
devoid of humanity, history and contact with reality.



I can follow you partially. Big discoveries are done by outsiders, because they have less prejudices and can think "laterally" with respect to the domain (even if not consciously so).

So a plane could almost have been discovered only by a bicycle artisan. But then you have those who will develop the idea, and to make a plane which carries hundreds of people and which is supposed to cross an ocean, you need the academic theories and formula.

What is sad is when academies kills the visionaries because they sleep on the formula, or when a church burns the mystics ideas, because they sleep on a 'traditions", but it is in the nature of "adulthood". Just wait we become virtual for good, and adulthood is the first thing which will quasi-disappear (I think).

Bruno




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