On 22 May 2014, at 16:39, Telmo Menezes wrote:




On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:



On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:18 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/21/2014 3:44 PM, LizR wrote:
Yes, I was indeed thinking of the superhero Bicycle Repair Man when I wrote that.

However I'm not so keen on deifying the Wright brothers when they were just two in a long line of people in many countries who gradually developed powered flight. They did make a significant improvement, of course, but there were plenty of others who helped pave the way to modern aeroplanes (including one somewhat dubious claim from New Zealand)

Interestingly in the context of this thread, one of the Wright brother's main contributions was their systematic (dare I say "scientific") approach using a wind tunnel to study air foils.

It is perhaps good to make a distinction between "science: the method" and "science: the game". Although honest scientists will attempt to focus on the former and avoid the pitfalls of the latter, honest scientists are human beings with human emotions and bills to pay. So the end results is always some combination of the two. I think this is unavoidable, but good to be aware of, especially in times when the needle moves to much to the game side.

"Science: the method" is all about generating hypothesis and testing them. Generating hypothesis is a creative process, and I don't think that academia was ever a particularly good environment for creativity. It's relationship to it is a bit bipolar: it eventually glorifies the successful creative thinkers, but it fights creativity every step of the way until then. Part of this behaviour is for good reasons, but part is pathological, I would say. This is also true of the relationship between academia and art, if you look at how the major artistic movements of the XX century were received at first.

So it's not so surprising that academia is side-stepped to achieve invention, which doesn't mean at all that "science: the method" is thrown out of the window. In fact, academia tries very hard to create a monopoly on "science" but this is perverse. Anyone can apply the scientific method. It doesn't care about formal qualifications, institutions, or even scientific journals or peer- review. It will wield its results regardless -- and that is beautiful in my view. A bit like the hacker's ethos in the 80s that lead to a lot of the permission-free innovation in computer systems that we enjoy today.

Coincidently, this just showed up on my facebook wall:
http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=761

It's an exaggeration, but I think it illustrates the science as method / science as game distinction.


Of course the "the scientific method" in that diagram if what Deutch and myself criticize. It uses a fuzzy "establish" which is already on the slope for making science into pseudo-religion.

The "actual method" is fun, but the idea that theory is not hypothesis witness again a misunderstanding of what science can possibly (seen by Plato in the Theaetetus and Parmenides).

Now with a comp, we have an arithmetical view of what the machine's science can be and its difference with machine's knowledge, observation and sensation.

We have a bit the choice to start by observing a natural phenomenon or start by introspecting oneself, but we have to observe the out- reality to refute the theory (up to dream and emulation, cela va sans dire).

Bruno






Telmo.



Brent


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