Dr. Marchal, you should ask about the Ahmadi sect of Islam who are hated by most of the Sunni and Shia, because of their tolerance of Kufars. They are often physically attacked for their easy going behaviors and teaching and considered apostates to the faith. Which goes to my foolish, hectoring, the notion of the Western discovery or mechanism for an afterlife. It might take the wind out of the jihadist sails. -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, May 31, 2014 3:15 pm Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back!
On 30 May 2014, at 05:43, Samiya Illias wrote: On 30-May-2014, at 7:35 am, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: On 30 May 2014 14:26, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: These are people who are committing crimes in the name of religion. You, on the outside, are horrified by such acts in the name of Islam, and are terrified of it, rightly so. We, on the other hand, live in midst of this blatant violation of the guidance in the Quran! What these elements have not been able to find or insert in the Quran, they have created Some of the people involved are priests, and some are students of Islam - do you think that these are people who are committing crimes in the name of religion? Again this is a straight question, I'm not drawing any conclusions at the moment. What's wrong is wrong. They may think they're doing right and may feel it to be their pious duty, however it is still wrong. How God will judge them is another matter, let God do that. However, it is important to speak up and point out that it's incorrect and inhumane. Please also bear in mind that all religions have suffered the tragedy of deviation from the original message, misunderstood and convoluted it into something terrible. Islam has also suffered thus. However, the arabic Quran is preserved in written form and in the minds of millions of people since it was revealed. That is the criteria that I apply to evaluate whether something is correct or not. Hmm.... Because you take as axioms that those word are divine. The Quran seems to contain threats for those departing of the text, but that is an authoritative argument. It can be true that departing from Truth is a problem, but I am not sure that this can be said. You may have noticed that I present Quranic verses to answer or explain my point, which I believe is divinely revealed, Is that not a problem? Is that not a warning for anybody to not criticize any point in the text. Most mystics text fall easily in the theological trap, where true proposition becomes false, as they were unassertable. It is like a machine picking up a proposition in its own G* \ G, and asserting it. They are true about them, but cannot be asserted. Let me ask you a question. Imagine we agree on some terms of comparison, and decide to compare G* (the main root of machine's theology) with the Quran, and imagine that the G* interpretation of the Quran appears much closer to the Sufi interpretation than the "mainstream" one, with more symbolics and less literalism, would you conclude that computationalism is false or that the Sufi are right? Suppose, or imagine if you can, that we find an error in the Quran, would you abandon the idea that it is a literal text by God, or would you abandon the idea that God is perfect? Would you develop the idea that such a text might be not that easy to interpret? You show that you are open to reason, and I can't grant that the Quran deserves respect, but only as long as we have the right to doubt each verse OK? You can't use the argument "it is from God, so it has to be true" OK? Bruno and not Hadith which I believe are human efforts at compiling history and thus are replete with human shortcomings. Samiya On 30-May-2014, at 5:28 am, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: So which lot is it who does this sort of thing? Honest question. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27614359 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/10850212/Iranian-actress-Leila-Hatami-faces-public-flogging.html http://m.inquirer.net/newsinfo/?id=606058 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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