What about "multiple personality disorder" ? Are they the same person? (I'd guess not)
On 4 August 2014 06:50, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 8/3/2014 9:04 AM, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Exactly what John Clark seems to miss, the first person >> after-experiences. >> > > Oh yes, that's because John Clark is a Zombie. > > > In both diaries, those who predicted 'no break of symmetry', >> > > Who in hell predicted no break of symmetry? One will see Moscow and one > will not, nobody thinks that is symmetrical. If things were symmetrical > there would only be one person regardless of how many bodies there were; > there needs to be a break in symmetry for the concepts of "you" and "me" to > be meaningful. You and I are two different people because things are > unsymmetrical, we both have memories that the other does not; In the > thought experiment things are a little more complicated because the > Helsinki Man has no memories that the Moscow Man (or Washington Man) does > not, but the Moscow Man DOES have memories the Helsinki Man does not, such > as the memory of seeing Moscow. > > > Bruno seems to have a theory, based on his salvia experience, that a > person can exist independently of any memories. That's why he says things > like, "We're all the same person." I find this theory contrary to > experience. I've had two relatives die of Alzheimers and they certainly > did not seem to be the same person as when they could remember things. > > Brent > > > > > > will write: "Why for God sake am I the one reconstituted in Moscow ? >> > > To answer the question, "you" were reconstituted in Moscow because "you" > saw Moscow and the other fellow didn't, if you'd been reconstituted in > Washington you'd be a different "you". It's not as if "you" became the > Moscow Man and there is some great cosmic mystery as to why "you" then > ended up in Moscow, it's the other way around, the very act of seeing > Moscow turned "you" into the Moscow Man. And there is no mystery in the > Moscow Man seeing Moscow, what the hell else is the Moscow Man supposed to > see? > > If you want a more detailed answer as to why you saw Moscow I'd have to > start talking about why the Helsinki Man (and you are the Helsinki Man even > though the Helsinki Man is not you) agreed to walk into the duplicating > chamber in the first place. And I'd have to start talking about the history > of Moscow and why a city was built where it was and why it took the shape > it did. But I don't see how getting into that will bring any philosophical > enlightenment. > > > John K Clark > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
